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Shroud of Turin — Local scientist says the cloth covered Christ
Deseret Morning News ^ | November 5, 2005 | Carrie Moore

Posted on 11/06/2005 12:38:04 PM PST by NYer

While periodic claims continue to surface purporting to debunk the Shroud of Turin as a hoax — including one made earlier this year by an Idaho academic — one local scientist has no doubt that the cloth covered the crucified Christ and has survived intact for nearly two millennia.

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DNA testing of blood found on the fibers of the Shroud of Turin has been inconclusive.
      Eugenia Nitowski, an archaeologist and former nun, bases her conclusion as much on science as on faith: The shroud's existence has forced science to seriously debate the Resurrection of Jesus.
      In 1986, Nitowski conducted one of many experiments now referenced by shroud scholars in trying to determine whether the cloth — a linen containing the image of a man who had been brutally scourged, crowned with thorns, crucified with spikes through his wrists and feet, and speared in the side before death — was Christ's burial shroud. (See story below.)
      The fine-twined linen Shroud of Turin, approximately 14 feet, 3 inches long by 3 feet, 7 inches wide, has been one of the most closely scrutinized religious icons in history. Owned and conserved by the Roman Catholic Church, it is housed in the Chapel of the Holy Shroud inside the Cathedral of St. John the Baptist in Torino (or Turin), Italy — in the news most recently as the next host of the 2006 Winter Olympic Games.
      Just as The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints became a focal point of news media coverage during the Winter Games here three years ago, the Catholic faith and Turino's famous artifact will no doubt be part of the story during the 2006 Games.
      Though a couple of strokes and failing eyesight have left her unable to actively research with the so-called "shroud crowd," Nitowski will likely be among Utahns watching from afar, curious about any new discussion of the cloth she believes covered Jesus Christ.
      Nitowski's efforts to re-create the conditions that would have existed inside an excavated Middle Eastern stone burial chamber have since been cited as another piece of evidence that places the shroud in first-century Jerusalem.
      "We rented a tomb there for two weeks," on the grounds of the French School of Architecture in Jerusalem, said Nitowski, who has a bachelor's degree in biblical languages and history, master's degrees in biblical archaeology and medieval history and a doctorate from Notre Dame in medieval history.
      As a Middle Eastern archaeologist, Nitowski told the Deseret Morning News, she had previously excavated 17 tombs and knew "pretty well what the environment was like," including the first one she'd ever worked on — a "rolling stone tomb dated to the time of Christ."
      While she was working inside, a fellow worker rolled the stone closed, encasing her in stony darkness and silence, she said. She found a bench that lined the walls of the tomb's central chamber and lay down on it, enjoying the cool stone wall's feel against her face. As she did so, she thought about the temperature inside and later began digging into literature on the Shroud of Turin and whether anyone had tried to determine the temperature inside Christ's tomb.
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      A resulting article, "New Evidence May Explain Image on Shroud of Turin," published in Biblical Archaeology Review, July/August 1986, was co-written with a researcher named Joseph Kohlbeck.
      Kohlbeck was listed as a resident scientist at Utah's Hercules Aerospace Center. It was reported that Kohlbeck, with assistance from Richard Levi-Setti of the Enrico Fermi Institute at the University of Chicago, compared dirt from the shroud to travertine aragonite limestone found in ancient Jewish tombs in Israel.
      Kohlbeck's dust particles were taken from sticky tape samples that researcher Ray Rogers, from the 1978 shroud investigation team, had taken from the Shroud of Turin and compared with Nitowski's samples.
      According to several scholarly papers and a book by author Ian Wilson called "The Blood and the Shroud," the particles of dirt on the Shroud of Turin provided a close chemical match to the samples Nitowski took from the tombs. At the time, Kohlbeck acknowledged that his work was not proof that the shroud was in Jerusalem and that there might be other places in the world where aragonite has the identical chemical composition.
      Barrie Schwortz, a Jewish researcher and member of the original 1978 Shroud of Turin Research Project (STURP) team, said his knowledge of research on the shroud leads him to believe the image on the cloth "is not the product of a scorch," even a very mild one like Nitowski described.
      "There are many known scorches on the Shroud from the fire in 1532. Scorched linen will fluoresce, and as expected, the scorched images (on the shroud) do show fluorescence, but it's not a product of heated linen in the image the way a scorch would be. I believe there is ample scientific evidence to support that."
      Schwortz now owns and operates an active Web site on the shroud, www.shroud.com. He said he believes the shroud is most likely authentic, but moving from skeptical science to active advocacy of that position took him about 18 years of study.
      "I became an advocate based on direct involvement and personal examination of the cloth. I expected to see the brush strokes (that many have speculated were used to paint the image) and come home. But there is no paint. This is not a painting. Then it became a question of what is it."
      For him, science became advocacy "when the weight of all the science together leads in one direction. I believe that's the case with the exception of the radiocarbon dating."
      In 1988, three separate laboratories tested a small section of fiber from the shroud and dated it to medieval times, yet "all of the other evidence was pointing the other way," Schwortz said. At the time, many serious scholars dismissed the shroud as a fake, but earlier this year, Schwortz said a fellow shroud researcher who was part of the STURP team produced evidence that the sample used in radiocarbon dating experiments was actually taken from a part of the cloth that had been woven in to repair the shroud, meaning the sample was not a part of the original fabric.
      To date, no access has been granted by the shroud's conservators to do another radiocarbon sample.
      "I'm pretty convinced now the best explanation is that it is what we think it is," said Schwortz, who is Jewish and claims neither religious nor personal stake in the outcome. "I've spent years and years of studying this thing and doing everything in my power to find it's not some kind of medieval fake or forgery. Why is it so hard to accept that we could have an artifact of the historical Jesus? I would think that would be welcome."


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To: UCANSEE2
The image was very likely to transfer if left on the body after death, for a relatively short time. Then to have the cloth kept preserved would help preserve the image and it soaking it's way into the cloth.

Cover your face with graphite, then take an old pillow case and cover your head. Very carefully, remove the pillow case, turning it inside out and go have a shower. When you return, look at the image left on the pillow case and see if it gives you the same impression that the shroud does.

The only explanations that could be possibly valid - it is a forgery or a miracle. No natural explanation would result in the image presented, so don't try to rationalize it. I don't believe that the Son would use the gifts given to him through his Father to create an image like that, so to me it is a forgery. To others it is not; it is a thing of faith.
41 posted on 11/06/2005 3:33:50 PM PST by kingu (Draft Fmr Senator Fred Thompson for '08.)
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42 posted on 11/06/2005 3:35:54 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated my FR profile on Wednesday, November 2, 2005.)
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To: Mercat

Or it could just be that the current decendants of the house of Levi intermarried with the house of David to the point that both now share many DNA markers.


43 posted on 11/06/2005 3:43:10 PM PST by Surtur (Free Trade is NOT Fair Trade unless both economies are equivalent.)
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To: kingu

I think it would have to be the most elaborate forgery of all time, if it was really a forgery.


44 posted on 11/06/2005 4:00:40 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: NYer

The shroud cannot be authentic. Jesus was wrapped in burial cloth encircling his body and when the burial lotions were added his covering was essentially that of a cocoon with a cloth to cover his face. I think that is what the disciples saw in the empty tomb...an empty "cocoon" adding to the evidence of a supernatural resurrection.


45 posted on 11/06/2005 4:17:18 PM PST by Doctor Don
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To: NYer

Very interesting.


46 posted on 11/06/2005 4:23:46 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: NYer

Of course the Shroud of Turin covered Christ. The fact that it is finally in the news is because we need a revival of faith.


47 posted on 11/06/2005 5:14:18 PM PST by Dustbunny (Main Stream Media -- Making 'Max Headroom' a reality.)
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To: NYer; Al Simmons

The blood type on the Shroud and Sudarium also matches the blood type from the Eucharistic miracle at Lanciano.


48 posted on 11/06/2005 5:21:14 PM PST by Nihil Obstat
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To: Carry_Okie

On going debate ping.


49 posted on 11/06/2005 5:22:29 PM PST by FOG724 (http://gravenimagemusic.com/)
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To: Nihil Obstat
"The blood type on the Shroud and Sudarium also matches the blood type from the Eucharistic miracle at Lanciano."

Link please ;-)

50 posted on 11/06/2005 6:05:44 PM PST by Al Simmons (http://www.mumbogumbo.com - check it out...for some great music)
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To: Al Simmons

Here is one link. I remember reading recently about scientist who did a thorough investigation. The more you know about it the more amazing it is.

http://www.therealpresence.org/eucharst/mir/lanciano.html

And of course, there is a Eucharistic miracle at every mass, it's just that some are more visible than others.


51 posted on 11/06/2005 6:37:14 PM PST by Nihil Obstat
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To: nosofar

Just like WA state democrats, they keep counting till they get the "right count".


52 posted on 11/06/2005 7:10:00 PM PST by coincheck (support our troops, they are the best bar none (sua sponte))
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Shroud of Turin PING!

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53 posted on 11/06/2005 7:35:11 PM PST by Swordmaker (Beware of Geeks bearing GIFs.)
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To: mysterio
I think the carbon dating test was thrown off by biofilm

The weight of biofilm (Bacterial residue) would have to outweigh the original material by almost 2 to 1 to skew the date from the 1st Century to the 14th... and microscopic examination shows that there is far too little biofilm to do that.

We now know that the cause of the skewing of the 1988 C14 tests was poor sampling and ignoring of the agreed protocols. The sample taken was taken from an area that had been rewoven in the 16th Century and included both sufficient 16th Century linen and cotten (about 50-60%) to to outweigh the original pure Flax linen enough to distort the date into the 14th Century. The reweaving done by nuns about (c)1535-1550 was extremely skillfully done... but the chemical traces and physical evidence is overwhelming that it was done. The fibers of the patched in linen (mixed with a little cotten which is not present in the original fibers) are physically different (size, twist, color) and chemically different (lignin content, vanillin content) from the exemplar fibers of the rest of the Shroud.

54 posted on 11/06/2005 7:47:42 PM PST by Swordmaker (Beware of Geeks bearing GIFs.)
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To: cryptical

Stuff it.


55 posted on 11/06/2005 7:47:44 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: XeniaSt
The dna blood of Cohen on the TS would disprove the TS.

The DNA on the Shroud is far too degraded to do any studies of the type claimed here. If its structure is similar to the Cohen structure it is because both a formed in a double helix... nothing more.

The degrees the surely devout Ms. Nitowski has earned allow her to call herself a scholar... but not a scientist. The headline is misleading and the statements she makes in the article are hardly based on science.

56 posted on 11/06/2005 7:52:29 PM PST by Swordmaker (Beware of Geeks bearing GIFs.)
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To: cryptical

Cloning is a distinct possibility here, isn't it, or will be in a year or two or ten, and all these folks who sincerely suggest that you "stuff" it or whatever, would be more than happy if their own sucky heroes were cloned and brought back to Las Vegas, Sigmund Freud, or Fat Elvis (the one who tearfully sang bad gospel tunes), Barry Goldwater or even Karen Carpenter and the late Paul McCartney.


57 posted on 11/06/2005 7:57:42 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Well,that's the death of the thread1)
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To: Swordmaker

Thanks for the ping!


58 posted on 11/06/2005 7:58:42 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Doctor Don
The shroud cannot be authentic. Jesus was wrapped in burial cloth encircling his body and when the burial lotions were added his covering was essentially that of a cocoon with a cloth to cover his face. I think that is what the disciples saw in the empty tomb...an empty "cocoon" adding to the evidence of a supernatural resurrection.

Sorry, but not one scholarly or archaeological study of 1st Century Jewish burial practices has every found such a burial as you describe. In fact, other 1st Century Jewish burials have been found that did indeed use a single "sindon" (greek - burial shroud). The concept of burial cloths encircling the body is a confabulation of the mis-translation of "othonia" (greek - burial clothes) and the known burial practices of Egypt. There has never been a burial "cocoon" found in the Holy Land...

59 posted on 11/06/2005 8:04:27 PM PST by Swordmaker (Beware of Geeks bearing GIFs.)
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To: Alamo-Girl

I do not aim this at you. Why would you need proof?


60 posted on 11/06/2005 8:05:20 PM PST by Foundahardheadedwoman (I can't spell. As you have no doubt noticed.)
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