Paris/France burns, Live thread (night #10)

[Dane]

It is now getting dark in Paris and in all of France(appx. 6:40 PM Paris Time), and if there are any French FR lurkers(lurquers), this may be the thread to post your reports about any further violence.

It seems the French govt. is impotent in it's response to what seems are jihadist thugs and it seems the American media has put a news blackout filter to what is really happening, so as not to embarass their heroes, Chirac et al.

So any news reports or personal reports from what happens tonight are welcome, and don't worry about broken English, reports in French are welcome also, I have no doubt someone can translate.

I really dread putting up a live thread about such a matter, but it seems that the American MSM is following French govt. orders to play down to what it seems is an insurrection.

[Morgan in Denver]

I have to ask. Do Monsieur Kerry, Senator's Reid, Kennedy, Levin, Clinton, Biden, Durbin, and the rest of these Democrats living in denial, fully understand the point that rioting in and around Paris is due to French failure to confront terrorism and fight it on Mid Eastern soil? That appeasement by the French has had zero effect in stopping terrorism in France? That the loss of life and property damage in France is a direct result of this failed policy?

The cost of fighting this war on terrorism in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere around the world is preferable to the cost Americans will pay if we fail to defeat the terrorists there.

The obviously proven fact is, Democrats cannot be trusted to win the war on terrorism, and Democrats are not capable of understanding or addressing terrorism in terms that put America in the best position to defeat terrorism.

Like the French, Democrats have made a pact with the devil.

[BluH2o]

You mean they haven't been able to retreat yet?

The sale of Clorox and other whitening laundry detergents are way up in France ... the French are making sure their sheets are clean ... just in case.

[txroadkill]

The reason why the French government hasn’t done anything to stop the riots is, IMO, because they are too busy fighting over who gets what job in the new Islamic Vichy government that will be the next step if history plays out.

Hopefully after the liberals watch their “perfect” society fall to Islam, they will finally admit that this is World War III, and we are in the middle of it.

If there are any French Patriots in hiding, “John has a long mustache!”

[The KG9 Kid]

Ten nights?

That's about damned enough.

Do we have to send the LAPD to France?

[kanawa]

Nov. 5: People wait outside after being evacuated due to fires near their homes in Pierrefitte.

[Americanexpat]

The police in Argentina, unlike the police in Paris and Toledo, took a different tact and beat the crap out of the demonstrators. Riots didn't last very long.

I guess the problem the French might have is that, it is a different kind of rioter. If they use the Army to put down the rioters that the people organizing this will start using suicide bombers. Of course if they don't act they won't have much of a city left.

[manapua]

This is the result of state-controlled media. I was in Bonn Germany when the UN was putting together the Afghan government at Wintergarten. The lack of coverage was amazing. No shots of the UN flags on every light standard. No film of the massive protests and marches at the Marktplatz. It was like living in a parallel time warp.

Massive protests during the Bonn conference? What on Earth were they protesting? Patching a broken country back together? Jesus H Christ.

Back to France and lack of coverage, again I ask: how is it that AFP, AP, & Reuters get out such close-up and embedded shots with terrorists in Iraq, even "luckily" photographing street executions, but can't get one picture out of the "poor" and "youths" burning up Paris?

[Willie Green]

Germany next, Britian next. President Bush, call your office.

So when do you think La Raza and the Aztlan extremists will make their move?

[Cplus]

In theory, that is true but the real economies do not follow economic theory very well.
I'm not so sure that the Euro's problems will be very negative for the Americas.
Economies on this side of the Atlantic are somewhat more flexible and could adjust to a Euro far below parity.
Of course companies with investments in Europe would take some fairly short term hits.
In the mean-time the financial sector and nimble currency traders will be able to benefit a lot from the currency volatility.
Of course Warren Buffett and Bill Gates and others are suffering some pain if they are still short the dollar for ideological reasons.

[EGPWS]

The sale of Clorox and other whitening laundry detergents are way up in France ... the French are making sure their sheets are clean ... just in case.

And their supreme Socialist government hasn't been able to keep up with demand?????

ARRRGH!!!!

[LikeLight]

How do we know this is being done for the cause of Islam?

I read at least two separately sourced articles in the last few days that cited the "youths" yelling "God is great!" as they torched cars, etc.

[ChadGore]

ty for the thread.

[ARealMothersSonForever]

If they use the Army to put down the rioters that the people organizing this will start using suicide bombers. Of course if they don't act they won't have much of a city left.

Spot on! The organizers of this intifadah have studied European policy very well. The wealthy organizers (drug smugglers, dealers, and human traffickers) are organized. They simply provide the agitation for the impoverished and disenfranchised. This will go on for months; if not years.

Damned if they react with force, double damned if they do not.

[kanawa]

Nov. 5: The remains of a nursery school burned by rioters in France.

[EGPWS]

Nov. 5: Residents hold a silent march in protest of the riots in Aulnay-sous-Bois.

Tommy can you hear me?...

[An Old Marine]

Quite frankly, I'm getting a sick feeling about this one spreading across all of "Old Europe" and, once again, the new world will have to come to the rescue of the old.

Its been in the cards for more than a generation. But then getting to it, taking off the gloves and finally going to work against the terrorists will bring us closer to peace again.

[axes_of_weezles]

You advocate policies for the US that are similar to what france has allowed for the last 50 years.

Unbridled immigration from other countries does cause economic dislocation, when there is not enough capacity for the immigrants to be absorbed and acculturated and socially acclimatized.

I find your concern about the muslims hypocritical.

Rep Jim Kolbe's (R-RINO) brother has found diaries written in arabic and farsi on his ranch.

In essence you are advocating the same policies for the US that france has instituted for the past 50 years, and you discount and negate any similarity in policy and brand anyone who disagrees as a"Buchanite".

You are way off, can't you at least be consistent in your concerns?

[surely_you_jest]

Bump and mark.

[ARealMothersSonForever]

can't get one picture out of the "poor" and "youths" burning up Paris?

Because it would highlight some failures of the French government. Coite deIvor. Ivory coast did not get any press until some freelancer put it on the web. Poor b@stard paid heavily for showing France in a less than favorable light. Alas, that never made the AFP newswire.

[Chi-townChief]

I hope so but France and Germany are like alcoholics and, as in the past, will first need to recognize their problem.