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Paris/France burns, Live thread (night #10)

Posted on 11/05/2005 9:39:59 AM PST by Dane

It is now getting dark in Paris and in all of France(appx. 6:40 PM Paris Time), and if there are any French FR lurkers(lurquers), this may be the thread to post your reports about any further violence.

It seems the French govt. is impotent in it's response to what seems are jihadist thugs and it seems the American media has put a news blackout filter to what is really happening, so as not to embarass their heroes, Chirac et al.

So any news reports or personal reports from what happens tonight are welcome, and don't worry about broken English, reports in French are welcome also, I have no doubt someone can translate.

I really dread putting up a live thread about such a matter, but it seems that the American MSM is following French govt. orders to play down to what it seems is an insurrection.


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To: LtKerst
Maybe that goes for old Europe as well.

The greatest generation freed their collective behinds so that they could embrace collectivism.

Britain, Germany, Italy, and France all have socialized medicine, no guns, and outrageous tax rates to funds their welfare state, do we really want to save this? Do they want to increase their birthrates and save themselves?

Time will tell, But If push came to shove I'd rather see us save the 13 former Soviet Satellites that have adopted the flat tax and are thankful and remember what Ronald Reagan did for them ergo the Poland in particular.

501 posted on 11/05/2005 3:53:20 PM PST by taildragger
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To: Bon mots

Portugal, Ireland, Poland, Lithuania, and Latvia all still remail. Cool, those are the European countries I actually like.


502 posted on 11/05/2005 3:56:08 PM PST by NeoCaveman (Confirm Judge Alito now. Yes I am an Alitist)
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To: mainepatsfan

Oh, the Sunday shows will be full of Argentina riots and 'Bush's numbers falling through the cellar' (Wolf Blitzer on CNN yesterday, where Parisian riots didn't exist, only Argentina's molotov cocktails and thousands demonstrating their hatred of the US and Bush. No mention of communists and anti globalization sentiment. Well, they'll bash Bush all weekend while the real news is taking place in Europe. What could de Villepin say to blame Bush, but (keep it simple so even the dumb general public gets it)...if the US hadn't gone to war in Iraq, Muslims everywhere, esp. in France, would not have to take to the streets and burn cars.'

On NPR early this am, one of their rerun shows from the night before, a BBC reporterette was interviewing a man who advises presidents and govt. ministers, among others, about how to integrate various immigrant groups into society as smoothly as possible.

(They'd probably been talking about Paris riots and how to solve their immigration morass, but I tuned in late, didn't catch anyone's name.) The reporter kept putting words in the man's mouth: 'but the govt. has to do it, make programs, order this or that done....and he said, 'NO! The govt. can do only so much. The bulk has to be done by ordinary people every day. It's all in how you deal with others -- with grace, kindness, and equanimity.'

I paraphrase, but that was the sense of it and I had to agree with him, and since this was NPR and 5:30 AM, you can imagine how hard it was! Frankly, this is why legal immigration works in the US no matter what you look like or how broken your English is...just learn it, please! -- or the color of your skin. We accept others as Americans if they come here legally and work hard. But if they arrive thinking of themselves as Muslims first and Americans second or not at all, and with a definite Islamic agenda, then they end up dead or in jail.


503 posted on 11/05/2005 3:56:20 PM PST by hershey
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To: Allen H
because they know the french have no spine and they'd rather give in than fight

They would rather live their life of decadence than have anything to do with self protection, the military, or fighting in general. Party on! You deserve what you get when living a life like that - what was the last war France won on its own?

504 posted on 11/05/2005 3:58:24 PM PST by p23185 (Why isn't attempting to take down a sitting Pres & his Admin considered Sedition?)
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To: medscribe
LOL. "One Ranger, one riot."

Charles Worrell, who wound up on the Georgia Supreme Court back in the sixties, was a Texas Ranger before he became a judge. He looked perfectly capable of quelling a riot all by himself -- big fellow with no neck and steely gray eyes. He was known as "Two Gun Charlie Worrell" because he presided with two loaded .44 Bulldog revolvers and used one as a gavel (I hope he kept an empty chamber under the hammer!)

He used to go dove hunting with my daddy. I was a little girl, and I was terrified of him.

505 posted on 11/05/2005 3:58:42 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: Allen H

On the other hand, if the cops had shot and killed rioters from the start, wouldn't that have galvanized outside Muslim agitators/terrorists to come in and throw bombs, etc.? Just a thought -- at some point they'll come anyway. Al Jazeera and the Arab 'street' would have erupted in Syria, Iran, etc.. and with the ease of travel in the EU, outside 'insurgent/freedom fighters' might be hard to spot until too late.


506 posted on 11/05/2005 3:59:41 PM PST by hershey
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To: Dane
"What I want from the authorities, from Mr. Nicholas Sarkozy, the prime minister and senior officials are words of peace." Delil Boubakeur, Head of Paris Mosque. Quoted (with great approval, I might add) this evening on the BBC.
507 posted on 11/05/2005 4:00:38 PM PST by mojito
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To: BearCub; All

What the result of this will be a very right wing unified Europe. The islamist will be driven back to herding goats and loose everything they ever had. What you will see emerge from all of this is an isolated US, a unified right wing Europe, and China. I have no idea which way England and Russia will go. Then we will compete for things.


508 posted on 11/05/2005 4:01:13 PM PST by U S Army EOD (LET ME KNOW WHERE HANOI JANE FONDA IS WHEN SHE TOURS)
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To: conservatrice
The jokes about retreating and waving white flags have been done ad nauseum. Who thinks it's funny anymore?

Ah... me for one.

509 posted on 11/05/2005 4:01:50 PM PST by An Old Marine (Freedom isn't Free)
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To: hershey

I vote for dead.


510 posted on 11/05/2005 4:04:26 PM PST by porkchops 4 mahound (What ya gonna do?.......... Get REAL........ American CONSERVATIVE, not a Republican lapdog)
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To: An Old Marine

Live Update on Fox right now.....


511 posted on 11/05/2005 4:05:54 PM PST by Shortstop7
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To: Jo Nuvark

The problem with the French Underground was a lot of them were communist. I know some Germans that were in Paris in the army. They told me that the nationalist would turn the communist into them and the communist would turn in the nationalist. The underground fought among themselves more than they did the Germans.

I have read before that one of the reasons Partain conspired with the Germans is because he felt that was the only way he could save France from the communist.


512 posted on 11/05/2005 4:07:12 PM PST by U S Army EOD (LET ME KNOW WHERE HANOI JANE FONDA IS WHEN SHE TOURS)
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To: An Old Marine

Make that two.


513 posted on 11/05/2005 4:07:43 PM PST by porkchops 4 mahound (What ya gonna do?.......... Get REAL........ American CONSERVATIVE, not a Republican lapdog)
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To: mojito; All
LOL! Now the BBC is suggesting the French press will be the savior of the day. What do they smoke at the beeb?

French Press searches for Solutions

514 posted on 11/05/2005 4:07:52 PM PST by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

Exactly, and now these Parisian rioters are called 'impoverished North African immigrants youths'. The PC mindset is hard, like juggling plates.


515 posted on 11/05/2005 4:08:56 PM PST by hershey
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To: NYer

What is it about the French...they look so...French. Is it the hair? What?


516 posted on 11/05/2005 4:10:09 PM PST by hershey
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To: Dark Skies
Hi, Dark Skies...I haven't been following the Paris/France threads but I will start doing so tonight. DeLay and Plame/Wilson has been taking up too much time!

One thing I could never understand about the French: they threw such a hissy fit a few years back about American/English words invading their pure language.

They agonized over words like "hotdog" diluting their culture; McDonald's restaurants gave them vapors.

And yet, they seem to have totally missed the silent invasion of their country by people who would do a lot more danger to their culture than insert the word "hotdog" into their vocabulary.

I've never been to France but friends who have toured there said the French were totally disdainful of Americans.

I guess I'm wondering "what is up their collective derrière" when it comes to their attitude towards Americans....
517 posted on 11/05/2005 4:10:20 PM PST by hummingbird (Think I'll google for a while.....on FRED THOMPSON for a seat on the SUPREME COURT!)
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To: Allen H
As far as I'm concerned anyone that attacks Britain is attacking America.

And as a long-time US Marine I only know one way to handle that situation.

518 posted on 11/05/2005 4:10:40 PM PST by An Old Marine (Freedom isn't Free)
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To: Joe Republc

I have posted this before, so my apologies to others who may have seen it.

The riots are caused by Islam, to deny it is putting your head in the sand... Hope my analysis will explain to you what has been happening in France and Europe for the last 30 years....

"It is a myth that poverty and unemployement are the causes of the Riots.

Were this the case,WHITE,NON_MUSLIM FRENCH would also be on the streets (CHAMPS ELYSEES) not suburbs streets.

What is happening is years of Islamists taking over the Outskirts of every French city.

For decades Arabs in the Cites have made sure WHITE,NON_MUSLIMS were removed from those areas....

1....Rapes of young girls.

2....Physical and verbal attacks on WHITE,NON_MUSLIM elderlies.

3....Arson on Bars and NOn_ALLAL shops.

4....Attacks on the Police,Firemen and anyone with authority.

5....Refusal by many to go to school.

6....Physical attacks in Colleges on teachers who mention the Holocaust or anything favorable to Jews.

7....Drugs and Guns, being sold openly on the streets.

8....Muslim Clerics preaching their hatred of the West.

The list goes on.
France is suffering from years of appeasing Islam and as the riots continue, France is still not daring to say ISLAMIC TERROR.

The death of those 2 Muslim Youths was the excuse needed for the start of the riots....those riots have been organised for many years, even though the FRENCH press is trying to deny it.

The islamic riots in FRANCE AND Danmark are going to spread like a cancer....with the blessing of the Socialists and so called Moderate Conservative governmemt in Europe.
It is well known that many European Law makers in EUROPE have been corrupted by Islamic despots.

As for the main culprit CHIRAC, I feel reading FREE_REPUBLIC you are well aware of his corruption and his anti_American and anti-Israeli views, (Views shared by the goverment of Sweden, Germany (under SCHOEDER), Belgium, Spain,Norway and many more) he is getting his just reward. That man SOLD France to the Islamists by supporting the PALESTINIANS,in the hope the Muslims in his country would be quiet. DID NOT WORK.

Here in Europe we are seeing the start of an Intifada,it is worrying but not surprising.

PS.Thank you to Free Republic for allowing me to make my points from time to time, in PC Europe I would be censured or worse in JAIL for daring critisize MUSLIMS.

On the opposite side, were I to blast America, they would make me a HERO."

Kristopher.





519 posted on 11/05/2005 4:11:16 PM PST by Kristopher
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To: Shortstop7
Live Update on Fox right now.....

I swear I just heard Dana Lewis say "the two yutes thought police were chasing them". Did anyone else hear it?

520 posted on 11/05/2005 4:11:31 PM PST by tsmith130
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