Did 'revoked' living willkill communicative man?

WorldNetDaily ^ | November 4, 2005 | Diana Lynne

[8mmMauser]

Family members are investigating what they consider to be suspicious circumstances surrounding the death of a nursing home patient at the center of a life and death tug-of-war reminiscent of the Terri Schiavo tragedy.

Seventy-nine-year-old Jimmy Chambers died in the early morning hours of Oct. 24 after the tracheotomy tubes that deliver oxygen from a ventilator to a hole in his neck became unhooked. Family members were told Chambers, a resident of the Anne Maria Rehabilitation and Nursing Center in North Augusta, S.C., apparently pulled the interlocking tubes apart.

"We're having it investigated. We're just incredulous," Chambers' daughter, Deanna Potter, told WND in reference to her siblings. "The last time I saw dad he was blowing me a kiss. I blew him one and he blew one back."

The retired dispatcher for Holland Motor Express died approximately 10 hours later. His death certificate indicates he died of "natural causes."

"Apparently, suffocation is a 'natural cause' when you're on a ventilator. We're contesting that," said Potter. "He suffocated. He didn't just pass away. He struggled and fought. And I'm just so angry."

Potter estimates it would have taken 10 to 14 minutes for her father, deprived of oxygen, to fall unconscious, and questions why the nursing home staff didn't come to his aid.

"The oxygen-saturation meter and his ventilator both would have had alarms going off. Four-thirty, five o'clock in the morning you'd think someone would hear this," she added. "That's the thing that really bothers me and makes me suspicious."

[floriduh voter]

I've been watching a county commission mtg. Greer's developer friends are displacing seniors, disabled people and disabled vets who live by the VA Hospital through rezoning. They are also displacing people who outright own their manufactured home and prefer it to a condo or apt type residence.

The plan is to place those who qualify on subsidized housing for 2 years pd by the developer, (relocation to a place not of their choosing and not even near the VA for the disabled vets).

Only ONE commissioner voted against the new ordinance and the county commission doesn't even have the authority to pass an ordinance but they are doing it anyway.

Sometimes I don't know if this County is marxist or communist. The guy who drew up the ordinance says that if someone owes a mortgage on their manufactured housing, they'll just have to file for bankruptcy.

The developer is supposed to pay for the relocation housing but where to? Adequate and suitable is kind of fuzzy. They are going to ruin hundreds of lives for Greer's developer friends.

It didn't matter but Commissioner John Morroni stuck up for the little guy. He felt bad that some people have already been displaced three times by Greer's developer friends. Didn't matter in the final vote.

If you need a bad example for what's wrong with Amerika, google Pinellas County.

[Wampus SC]

That ought to be set to music. Your backup band's already playing. Slightly different words, but the same old tune.

[8mmMauser]

Eric Paulos of North Country Gazette starts the day with this:

excerpt: Read the entire article at their site.

Daniel P. Sulmasy, the author of "Are Feeding Tubes Morally Obligatory? which appeared in the January 2006 online edition of St. Anthony Messenger, seems to make that classic leap that many propagandists are guilty of with respect to Terri Schiavo. He's comparing ventilators to feeding tubes and assuming the existence of a burdensome existence where no proof exists.

OpEd - Whose Burden Was Terri Schiavo?

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Floriduh voter reminded earlier that one can join our list with a freepmail to me. It is once or twice a day ping mostly links to news.

(this includes Ohioan from Florida's ping list, update to 12/09.)

[8mmMauser]

A little bit of myth busting for the Christmas season here from National Review, including a myth about Terri. This is one ground into the public so much by the death merchants, many think it is true:

Don’t be Myth-Understood

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[Wampus SC]

For someone who says other's opinions don't matter, you sure spend a lot to time explaining and justifying yourself. That's consistent with the well known pattern. But seriously, I have a confession to make. I have a serious, serious defect. Sometimes I'm unable to tell a troll from a flake at first. You sure had me going for a while there. Forgive me for thinking you were a troll.

OK - we get it that you write lousy limericks to explain that you've been busted. Putrid poetry to tell us what we've known from the start - it was a "fairy tale", conspiracy theory kook stuff. But to gloat that that's all you've got? Well - some strange, flaky people out there. Or maybe in light of recent replies you've gotten, just a sh*tty ditty to try to CYA?

So let's talk about those "burdens", shall we? The ones you say people other than you will bear. Only if they believed your baseless claims, which you yourself also say are baseless. You have too much pride and ego there, my friend, to think that when people tell you, "that's BS" they really mean, "I believe you". Too much blind pride can be a downfall. Attention hounds often fall that way.

So let's talk about those burdens, shall we? Your burden will be to learn the ramifications of appearing to have too much knowledge, when you might not. Are the people who really count in cases like this, and can do something about it, really convinced you were just BS-ing and CYA-ing? Was your acting perhaps a little too good and created doubt - somewhere other than here - that you weren't just good-naturedly joshing around? Everything has effect. Words included. One thing leads to another. But que sera sera, right?

I hope you understand that we're here just trying to help you.

[Wampus SC]

"That's why no great novels (like in the 19th Century) seem to be written anymore: truth is far stranger than fiction."

These days parody is becoming impossible too. Whatever you try to parody, you find someone's really doing it.

[8mmMauser]

Anita Crane's special commentary for LifeSiteNews:

Schiavo Case Unpacked: Lies, Jesse Jackson, Aretha Franklin and "Terri-ism"

CNN lists the story of Terri as one of the top.

Katrina is most talked-about story

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[8mmMauser]

I commented earlier, one has to resort to fiction these days to tone down reality to make it believable. The legacy of Terri sure illustrates my thesis.

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[presently no screen name]

resort to fiction these days to tone down reality to make it believable.


PERFECT! anything but face the ugly gut-wrenching reality.

[Wampus SC]

"I know people like him. In fact a few of you know who I'm talking about. They get away with something early on, and the more rules and laws they break, the more brazen they become."

Yeah. Many voted for him.

[Wampus SC]

"Further, SOS Condi Rice and USAG Alberto Gonzalez can get on my tv any time and say that the United States "does not torture" and they too, are LYING."

We're in the Land of Oz. Yes, no doubt, we're in the Land of Oz. In the Land of Oz, the Munchkins are bedazzled by the Wizard's big head on the giant screen, his flashpowder and smoke, and his noisemakers. They're also bedazzled by his politics, his explanations and his problem solving methods.

You don't need a heart - just something that ticks.
You don't need courage - here's a medal.
You don't need a brain - here's a diploma.

Terri's a corpse, and a corpse can talk - if you change the definition of corpse! (Remember that one?)

Terri's already dead - (insert panting and drooling here) - so let's kill her!!! (insert orgasmic moaning here)

I'll solve illegal immigration - I'll legalize them! - POOF! - If they're legalized, they can't be illegal. Problem solved! MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!

Secret torture prisons are "an abomination" in America, so move them somewhere else and - POOF! - We don't do that in America. "Wow!", say the Munchkins.

Torture? Why, I'll just change the definition by law of what constitutes torture and - POOF! - we don't torture!

Don't anybody try to tell me, "pay no attention to the man behind the curtain". No need. The curtain is transparent. It's made from the same fabric as the emperor's new clothes.

[Wampus SC]

"Sometimes I don't know if this County is marxist or communist."

Try feudal.

[Wampus SC]

"I commented earlier, one has to resort to fiction these days to tone down reality to make it believable. The legacy of Terri sure illustrates my thesis."

It sure does. Very true.

That's also why when one tries to tell the truth, people find it hard to believe.

[syriacus]

Forgive me for thinking you were a troll.

Sure!!

It's painfully apparent that I was wrong to assume I would be given the benefit of the doubt that I wasn't a troll. It was obviously wrong of me to take your good will for granted and I should have repeated some sort of disclaimer, to make sure all posters and lurkers knew I wasn't a troll.

Here's my underlying point, which, as you've taught me, I'll have have to emphasize to make it clear enough for people who might suspect I am a troll.

I can't understand why the same people
who think Michael is an inveterate liar
accept anything
he has said about the night Terri "collapsed, "
including his statement that he was at home in bed.

I hope I've made my point clear enough.

You've said Michael was a liar, yet you accept his statement that he was at home.

Can you help me understand why you believe him?

[DadsGirl]

If they couldn't breed without permission, there would be no Hollywood celebrities involved with Scientology! :-)

[syriacus]

Your burden will be to learn the ramifications of appearing to have too much knowledge, when you might not.

Your burden is to prove Michael was at home when the attempt was made on Terri's life.

Michael says he was at home. Does anyone else back him up?

[Theodore R.]

The late popular (particularly among the poor) Huey Pierce Long, Jr., D-LA, answered that questions in the early 1930's. The self-proclaimed "Kingfish" (himself a very wealthy man) said that the day would could in which the American people would also embrace fascism, as had Italy, Germany, and other countries. But in the USA, the Kingfish said the Americans would call their system "anti-fascism."

[Theodore R.]

Actually, I don't believe anything the popular FL Republican Michael R. Schiavo says. But even liars embrace "truth" (relative to them) maybe a fourth to a half of the time, particularly when convenient to their saga.

[syriacus]

But even liars embrace "truth" (relative to them) maybe a fourth to a half of the time, particularly when convenient to their saga.

Very good point, though it doesn't prove he wasn't at work at the time Terri might have been attacked.

It would be helpful if Michael could prove he was at home when Terri collapsed. Maybe he made a phone call to his brother, or someone else, after he got home, but before Terri "collapsed."

[TheSpottedOwl]

Because somewhere in the back of their minds, in their souls, they also know that she was murdered. They can't let go of this. Once a liar, always a liar. I don't think they feel guilty but they do know that Terri was murdered in cold blood.

A liar is worse than a thief, because a liar can hang an innocent person. They're experiencing a type of foreboding, and are screaming and stomping their feet to drown that tiny little voice out.

Many of the deaths caused by hurrican Katrina could have been prevented, but Louisiana politics got in the way. I don't know if I would say these deaths were caused by indifference. I do know that the last thing these officials wanted, was the Federal government coming in to help. They've been using the funds for other things, instead of shoring up the levees, etc. In fact, the government asked for an accounting last spring, and several officials were indicted, long before Katrina showed up. Imo, people died unecessarily because of the rampant corruption in that state.