Posted on 10/26/2005 1:36:11 AM PDT by bramdawg
Going onto a local PD in los angeles area. Have heard stories both about .40's and .45's what is really the difference. I know comfort is important put I want to know if I will be safe with a .40 or if I should go with .45. I want the best gun for my job.
Even I'm not cruel enough to make a Thunderwear joke.
LOL! Thanks for the tips.
You'll shoot yer errrr...........eye out wearing that crap !
LOL !
.357 bump
I imagine most PD's limit what you can carry. They probably have their gun or chioce of two or so to pick from.
Red6
Most loads you can buy, and the loads Marshall studied years ago were not loaded to "full-house" potential. The 10mm is capable of amazing speed and power if loaded to full potential.
Please visit: http://www.doubletapammo.com/php/catalog/index.php
and get back to me.
---Since you asked for an opinion, Sig P226 or P229 (whichever fits best) chambered in .357 Sig.---
Or a Glock 31. The grip is slimmer, it holds 15 rounds, and the bore axis is lower. Glocks are tough as nails, reliable, easy to take down, and require little maintenance. I think it's the finest combat handgun available today. Like the Sigs you can drop in a 40 S&W barrel. If you get a 31C you can use ported or unported barrels.
This link is to a site which you may find interesting. Lots of rather well-researched articles.
http://www.firearmstactical.com/afte.htm
*Can of worms alert*
This subject could be debated until the democRATs gain the whitehouse again and still not be resolved.
I've carried many sidearms over the years and have to admit, I'll take a lighter weapon over a thinner, heavier one. The advantage of the 1911 frame is that it's thin and less likely to print, but what you gain in conceilability (how the hell do you spell that anywho?) you pick up in frame weight. Plus, I like shooting those big rounds.
Now I carry a .40 for a couple of reasons. 1) I shoot it better. 2) The sticker price for my Glock 23 was lower 3) I don't have to worry about the loud *whack* my Kimber made sideswiping door frames or tables anymore 4) I'm convinced the .40 has better stopping power with the proper round.
Plus...I don't have to worry about sweating on the Glock.
Realizing most of those reasons were cosmetic and had little to do with kinetic energy...my personal opinion is go with the .40 but, do so with a frame you can shoot well.
.22 right behind the ear kills steers dead.
Yes, but a Tommy Gun will allow you to gain quite a public image while appeasing the peace loving crowd by going Budha-Budha-Budha...
Fashion statements are important.
"Even I'm not cruel enough to make a Thunderwear joke."
The OSS had a crotch holster, so there goes the joke...which leads to other jokes, however. Squantos probably wears one, and archy probably has the first, second, and third model with arsenal museum tags.
I understand that the Second model, transitional, works better with Speedos, but I'd need another trip to the range to confirm it. Having a little trouble finding someone willing to work the stopwatch.
And now, I introduce my new Tagline, a compression of a line by Ambrose Bierce:
All the cops I've talked to (and I've talked to quite a few on the subject of what to carry and when to use it) told me that their attitude is that, if they have to fire a weapon, it will be to kill. The reason I've been told the most has to do with the probability of being sued by someone they wounded, especially if that person is a minority. You can't be sued by a corpse (though you can be sued by the next of kin, of course). The point is that when you do fire your weapon, that you're sure of the need for it.
That said, I've heard a lot of opinions. One friend swears by 9mm with hydra-shocks (sp?) while another laments the loss of his .45 when the department went to .40. I'd say it depends very much on *where you will patrol*. If you're going to be in a ghetto with drugged-out junkies, then I'd go for something that will absolutely take the person down (all other things being equal, like shooting accuracy, which is not a trivial thing). I would imagine that a .45 with hydra-shocks would work well on someone on PCP, but you only get 7 shots, so you'd better not miss. On the other hand, if you're going to be on one of L.A.'s anti-gamg squads, then maybe the 9mm makes more sense since when things go bad there might be more than one bad guy, and they'll likely have money and guns. It's a tough subject -- my cop friends all work in suburbia so they tend to favor caliber over rounds, but a city cop has different things to deal with.
I think Eaker tried the second model, but was dismayed that his cut down Mossberg 500 caused such a stir.
Some things just should not be stirred.
Shaken, not stirred.
Yes, I'd like the details. LOL
Highest velocity, of course, and the 135s also gave the most expansion out of my 5-inch Argentine M27-length barrel. I figured reducing the chances of overpenetration was a plus, and they were reasonably accurate for the ranges I'd be working with.
They were also the only load that didn't ding the case mouth on ejection, not a big deal since I wasn't reloading the .400 then, but I figured that was a possible indicator of better reliability. And I had planned on picking up something smaller and more concealable [Glock 30? Officers Model?] to be converted to the same caliber and thought the 135 would most likely offer the best results from the shorter barrel.
As it turned out, I got a Glock 22 in .40 S&W instead, a good deal since I could get free once-fired cop brass. I eventually decided .40 S&W wasn't the way I wanted to go, and let the nice little handgun go to a deserving youngster who armtwisted his parents into *a 22 pistol* for his graduation present. I tried out a Glock 30- fairly extensively- in .45 and decided it doesn't fit my hand well. It was replaced with a Taurus PT145...but I really, really prefer having an external hammer on my handguns.
Further deponent knoweth not much.
That says it right there.
Any needed improvements can be built upon using that basis.
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