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Bush on the Edge ("There is Almost No Enthusiasm for Her [Harriet Miers'] Nomination...")
Washington Times ^ | 10/26/2005 | Tony Blankley

Posted on 10/25/2005 11:57:05 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

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Those who claim that it is only Washington eggheads and activists who are disillusioned, misunderstand and underestimate the consequences of such Washington-based problems. The current Washington Republican negativity to Mr. Bush is as a stone thrown into a lake -- it will ripple outward until it causes waves on the distant shores of the heartland.

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More importantly, the president is perilously close to duplicating the estrangement his father experienced from his congressional allies when George H.W. Bush raised taxes in 1990. Just a year out from congressional elections, Republican congressmen and senators are in the process of making the practical judgment whether to distance themselves from the president to save their skins. I don't blame them. (After all, it's not as if he is currently championing their principles and policies domestically.)

If they decide in the affirmative, their constituents will hear criticisms rather than support of the president for the next 12 months. The most dangerous time for any politician is not when his opponents say rude things about him, but when his own partymen do. They will start out respectfully disagreeing, but will build to more flagrant rhetoric as their Democratic Party opponents start raising and spending more money and start rising in the polls.

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First, withdraw the unfortunate nomination of Harriet Miers. Not only is there almost no enthusiasm for her nomination, I have never seen as much outright hostility and even anger at an appointment from a president's own party. Replace her with a highly qualified, full-blooded, proven conservative nominee. (Any number of his appointments to the courts of appeal will do.)

Then he can have a principled fight between conservatives and liberals...

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: conservativebase; harrietmiers; miers; scotus; supremecourt
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To: Cboldt

I understand your concerns, and I follow your logic. Your concerns are valid.

Where I'm at....I consider abortion so abhorrent that I don't really care how it gets overruled. That said, I think her pro-life views are significant given what they are based on. She is an evangelical, conservative Christian.

That worldview will put her in such turmoil that she will go to the text of the Constitution and see if there really is a right to an abortion written into the constitution.

I find it absolutely unfathomable ethically that liberals today are celebrating the death of the 2000th soldier in Iraq when on their doorstep lie the tiny bodies of some 40 million aborted babies.

This is the moral issue of our age, and it is the basis of any outrage that God has with our culture.

Far beyond anything else, this must be changed.


81 posted on 10/26/2005 7:07:23 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham
"Susan “I’m the most progressive liberal of all liberals” Estrich has already defended Miers on Fox News on several occations, as has Bob “Mr. Democrat” Shrum; both have said that “She’s not an ideologue”, which is of course a liberal code word for you-know-what. Shrum also said that “I’ve known Harriet for years”…(Sigh)."

Susan is smart. Most Liberals are going to realize that Harriet is the best they can hope for under GW.

82 posted on 10/26/2005 7:07:51 AM PDT by TAdams8591 (It's the Supreme Court, stupid!)
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To: kjam22

I agree. There is a decent chance we will be very disappointed by Roberts. The decision by Bush to select two S.C. nominees without a clear conservative judicial track record cannot be dismissed as a "mistake". Bush knew the importance of this pick and his promises to his loyal base. This is a betrayal to conservatives who have given everything they have to the Republican party in the hope and promise of the eventual reform of this S.C.


83 posted on 10/26/2005 7:13:38 AM PDT by RandDisciple
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To: Bommer
Maybe at last Bush will get it into his head that we put him in office and to appoint judges we want, not what he wants.

You need to get it into your head that if you want to appoint SC justices, YOU run for office.

Until then, the President gets to appoint who HE wants to the Supreme Court, and you can agree or disagree.

84 posted on 10/26/2005 7:18:12 AM PDT by sinkspur (If you're not willing to give Harriett Miers a hearing, I don't give a damn what you think.)
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To: RandDisciple
And the whole thing with Roberts and the family.... I mean the way the kids were dressed etc... It looked like they were going out of their way to make it look like the 1950's. It just didn't look natural. It looked staged. Like a show....

It will be interesting to see where he lands.

85 posted on 10/26/2005 7:20:29 AM PDT by kjam22
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To: SerpentDove
Thank you.

Let's look at the roll-call, shall we?

Pro-Miers:

Bob Shrum, Harry Reid, the ABA, Dick Morris, Arlen Specter, Barbara Mikulski, Lindsay Graham, Susan Faludi, Gloria Steinem, Susan Estrich, Ellen Goodman, etc...

Anti-Miers:

Ann Coulter, Richard Jeffrey, Laura Ingraham, Judge Bork, L. Brent Bozell III, Mona Charen, David Frum, David Brooks, Kathryn Jean Lopez, Mark Levin, Rich Lowry, George Neumayr, Rod Dreher, Fr. Richard John Neuhaus, Concerned Women For America, Professor John Yoo, Prof. Eugene Volokh, Stuart Taylor Jr., Gary Bauer, Phyliss Schlafly, Ken Connor, Confirm Them, Protest Warrior, Michelle Malkin, Professor Glenn Reynolds, Captain's Quarters Blog, William Kristol, John Fund, Dan Henninger, Peggy Noonan, Michael Savage, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, LoneWacko (Immigration), Tom Tancredo, Civitas, the NY head of the Federalist Society, Linda Chavez, Roger Clegg, Jonathan Turley, Andrew Sullivan, The Seattle Times, Human Events, National Review, Jed Babbin, Redstate.org, Jonah Goldberg, RightWingNews, Stanley Kurtz, Paul Weyrich, Bruce Fein, Pat Buchanan, Elaine Donnelly, William F. Buckley Jr., Michael Reagan, the Wall St. Journal, Bob Grant, etc., etc., etc...

86 posted on 10/26/2005 7:22:57 AM PDT by Do not dub me shapka broham ("We don't want a Supreme Court justice just like George W. Bush. We can do better.")
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To: sinkspur
This could come down to be an interesting vote. We could end up with Coburn et al (coburn is my senator btw)..... and Kennedy et al voting not to confirm... while McCain's gang of 14 and the rest of the RINO's and more conservative Dems vote to confirm. This could truly be close and bipartisan.

You gotta figure President Bush talked with a lot of the players... including McCain etc.

87 posted on 10/26/2005 7:24:31 AM PDT by kjam22
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To: kjam22
because if she comes out and says "abortion is the same thing as killing a baby... and mothers who abort should do jail time... and I will absolutely vote to over turn Roe VS Wade..... and I'm going to roll back affirmative action.... and the 2nd ammendment means you can carry a gun anywhere you want and shoot the guy who even looks crossways at you.... and government entitlements are unconstitutional.... and federal income taxes are unconstitutional... and federal loans to foriegn countries with us tax dollars are unconstitutional...."

Then she has fallen into the trap set by the DEMs. The trap is to view judicial appointments as another venue for issues advocacy.

The GOP has fallen into the same trap. But courts are not supposed to be the final battlefield for issues advocay.

The WH is giving her the only advice they can... be vague. Just like Roberts was vague. He was just smarter about how he did it.

My premise is that judicial philosophy can be discussed without deciding the underlying social hot button issues. And I vigorously object when a nominee is vague on judicial philosophy. Government by secret code - ugh.

If the GOP stoops to that, and it has, then it can't object when the DEMs do it. Stealth, it's the wave of the future, brought to you by the GOP, who seems unable or unwilling to advance an argument or a nominee based on principle.

88 posted on 10/26/2005 7:24:43 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt
But courts are not supposed to be the final battlefield for issues advocay.

I agree with you. But I also believe that most ideologues lose the battle. The reality is that in this day and age, the courts operate in a manner that our founding fathers didn't intend. It is an oligarchy. It is what Jefferson feared. That being true... we've got to nominate people on our side. People who will vote the way we want them to.

I remember getting my first speeding ticket in 1976 and telling my dad "that cop made a comment about the length of my hair and then wrote me at ticket. I wasn't going that fast and he would have let me off if I was older or more clean cut". And my dad says... well welcome to reality. You can complain about the way things are suppose to be or you can accept the way they are, and then work within that framework. These days.... I'm an accept they way they are, and then try to win within that framework type of guy.

89 posted on 10/26/2005 7:32:50 AM PDT by kjam22
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To: xzins
I consider abortion so abhorrent that I don't really care how it gets overruled.

Most pro-life advocates do not grasp the nature of the legal battle.

Assume for a moment that Casey & Roe are overturned. The outcome STILL depends on the rationale used by the court (now 50 state courts instead of the Fed apparatus), and the end result might be just the same.

For a flavor of the statutory construction route for turning legislative intent and the will of the people on its head, see the Florida Supreme COurt's decisions in the 2000 election and end of life issues, and the Texas parental notification case, which is summarized, with links, at ...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1507174/posts?page=267#267

90 posted on 10/26/2005 7:35:22 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: xzins

>>She is an evangelical, conservative Christian.<<

So claims Jimmy Carter.


91 posted on 10/26/2005 7:36:07 AM PDT by SerpentDove (I BELIEVE CONGRESSMAN WELDON)
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To: SerpentDove

Carter never claimed to be an evangelical conservative Christian. He always aligned with the moderate wing of the SBC, and when they got a bit too conservative for him, he left them.

He is an evangelical LIBERAL Christian who will tolerate moderates, but has nothing good to say about conservatives.


92 posted on 10/26/2005 7:38:51 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: xzins
He always aligned with the moderate wing of the SBC, and when they got a bit too conservative for him, he left them.

Most people forget that part.....

93 posted on 10/26/2005 7:39:58 AM PDT by kjam22
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham

Note the new tagline. Suggestions welcome.


94 posted on 10/26/2005 7:41:03 AM PDT by SerpentDove (Would Susan Estrich, Ellen Goodman, et al, support a pro-life Justice?)
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To: kjam22
I agree with you. But I also believe that most ideologues lose the battle.

If advocating open government, and decisions based on knowledge and reason instead of stealth and emotion, then I am proud to wear the label "ideologue." I'm in the company of the founders, who advocated a limited and transparent government that operated with the blessing and support of the people it serves.

If that battle is lost, we will become mere subjects of an impenetrable system. And you may well be right. The battle may well be lost, hustled on its way by well intentioned people who are willing to stoop to stealth to "get their way."

These days.... I'm an accept they way they are, and then try to win within that framework type of guy.

I urge you to reconsider accepting "stealth" as a legitimate social/political tactic, and consider that perhaps reasoned discussion of issues and process on their merits is better for the health and well being of our social structure.

95 posted on 10/26/2005 7:41:12 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt

My memory says that most of what I've read says the abortion decision will go down to the individual states if it is overruled by SCOTUS at the national level.

One step at a time.


96 posted on 10/26/2005 7:41:35 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: kjam22
most forget that part...

I agree.

Maybe it's just because we pay attention to religious issues.

97 posted on 10/26/2005 7:43:20 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: xzins

Fair enough.


98 posted on 10/26/2005 7:44:50 AM PDT by SerpentDove (Would Susan Estrich, Ellen Goodman, et al, support a pro-life Justice?)
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To: Cboldt
that perhaps reasoned discussion of issues and process on their merits is better for the health and well being of our social structure.

We really do agree... I'm serious. The only problem is that it takes two sides to have a reasonded discussion of issues etc. You and I can do that all day... but if the other side doesn't ... we just lose.

I would not advise Miers to be upfront and transparent with this committee if she wants to be on the court. I would advise her to do just what Roberts did. Be vague. Roberts was smart about it. Miers is going to need to rely on social skills. That's the bottom line I think.

The left is waiting for her. They saved all of their amo for this nominee. She's got a tough fight after being shot up by our side too.

99 posted on 10/26/2005 7:45:29 AM PDT by kjam22
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To: Cobra64
Sorry, I didn't know you were such a Meyers Cheerleader. BTW, I've been here a hellava lot longer than some post 9/11 punk like you! I don't accept busting my ass to get someone elected who promised Conservatives and gives us who he thinks we'll like! Its WE THE PEOPLE, not Hail Bush! Stop being such an Bush automaton! When he does goo, fine. When he does not do the will of the people who elected him, he's called to the map. But then you proabaly love his immigration policy!
100 posted on 10/26/2005 7:47:01 AM PDT by Bommer (TEXANS - VOTE NOV 8TH FOR PROPOSITION 2 - THE MARRIAGE PROTECTION AMENDMENT)
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