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The Leaves Won't Be The Only Thing To Fall! (Market Crash Prediction)
321Gold ^ | Oct 17, 2005 | Enrico Orlandini

Posted on 10/17/2005 7:59:53 AM PDT by Travis McGee

The October Newsletter The Leaves Won't Be The Only Thing To Fall! Enrico Orlandini Lasco Report 17 Oct, 2005

We're heading into that time of year where the word "crash" tends to command a bit more respect among market specialists, i.e., the months of October and/or November. Maybe it's just a coincidence, but I see an ominous cloud on the horizon. Actually, I see a large mass of clouds and they're as black as night. Anyone who's invested in the stock market over the last three or four years has little or nothing to show for it and, if you're still invested, you can't be feeling too comfortable right now. In short, a simple saving account would have been a better investment. Then again, when you buy into a market that's selling at 20 times earnings and paying a miniscule 1.75% dividend, what can you expect? Two weeks ago I warned my clients about the "probability", not the possibility, of a crash. What did I see that made me so worried that I would crawl out on a limb all by myself? Frankly, there were and still are any number of warning signals, and I would like to delve into some of them in the space provided below.

The first such warning sign comes from the market itself. Focus your attention on the following daily chart of the cash DJIA and follow along:

Lots of charts and analysis follows, HERE


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To: Travis McGee

Natural gas is headed for $15 a thousand cubic feet or million Btu, whichever unit you like, rather than pulling back. The gov't estimates for winter heating costs may be conservative. This will at least bend some household budgets badly, probably break some. But, proactive measures are possible: Don't heat the whole house. Plumbers may be busy, though, and the plumber's bill may be even more than heating costs saved when some water pipes freeze.


141 posted on 10/17/2005 11:20:33 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: Travis McGee

Apologies. I did not notice that the poster was also the author. I should have disagreed without the insult.


142 posted on 10/17/2005 11:35:34 AM PDT by stinkerpot65
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To: stinkerpot65

Oops. I was wrong. You are not the author. Apology retracted - insult reinstated!


143 posted on 10/17/2005 11:37:02 AM PDT by stinkerpot65
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To: johnny7
...and lead.

Lead, with a large powder charge behind it, may be more valuble than gold at that time.

144 posted on 10/17/2005 11:50:13 AM PDT by Mark17
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To: stinkerpot65

Whatever. The point of my posting this article was simply to stimulate debate.


145 posted on 10/17/2005 12:32:01 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: LurkingSince'98
if you have your savings tied up in equities with no gold or silver as insurance you may find yourself like a lot of others in the 1930s.

The market has been just fine even now.......a correction in October is normal.

I was referring to that specific line about not going anywhere for 4 years......

Small and midcap growth stocks have been spectacular since October, 2002.

I specialize in small caps ......I love spikers.....

Today my stocks did terrific.....

FUEL....JMDT.....ISON.....IMAX....IOTN....MTRX....QDEL....JVA.....

all of which I recently bought at the bottom or in a dip.

Market timing and not being greedy makes me money.

The time of buy and hold ended in 2001.

146 posted on 10/17/2005 1:15:14 PM PDT by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
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To: proxy_user
I like oil & gas royalty trusts and stocks more than gold. Oil stocks should do well in the environment we're entering next year where I expect general inflation to be very low while oil & gas prices remain strong.

Contrary to the stock market setting up for a crash in the next few months, I think gold is probably setting up for a fairly large correction back towards $425. The Fed's interest rate increases should slow the economy by early 2006 and limit general inflation to 1%, and then when all the oil refineries are back online the price of gasoline and diesel will probably fall back to early 2005 levels by March 2006. This should set off a big bond market and stock market rally, which will probably start around late November of this year as traders begin to anticipate this counter-inflationary scenario. Gold should start falling at the same time, late next month. I'm looking to get into a bunch of bond funds, REIT funds, and stocks in November, December, and early next year.

My advice is to never, ever put much weight on any predictions or advice from anyone selling gold. Their advice is usually way to pessimistic, while they hide behind legal disclaimers. I'd like to see Laura Ingraham stop hawking gold on her radio show. That's going to end up being an embarassment to her.

147 posted on 10/17/2005 1:27:15 PM PDT by carl in alaska (Blog blog bloggin' on heaven's door.....Kerry's speeches are just one big snore.)
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To: Travis McGee; drt1
The Coming Cometary Catastrophe (Pdf File)

The Sun's brown dwarf 'dark' companion has disrupted cometary orbits and has sent a group of destructive comets headed our way. The comets are due to arrive in a time window extending over the next five years.

I hate to be the bearer of really bad news. But the coming stock market crash is very low on the priority totem pole. The real estate bubble pops ... flu pandemic ... then comets ... Then: Hasta la vista, baby!

< / sarcasm> -- are you sure? >

148 posted on 10/17/2005 1:29:19 PM PDT by ex-Texan (Mathew 7:1 through 6)
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To: texaslil
True story:

We have Amish neighbors. During the run up to Y2K, one of them seriously asked my husband:"What does this mean for the Amish?" He laughed and told them, if it happens, they would be the ones doing just fine.

I wish I could enjoy taking care of horses. But the poop shoveling just doesn't interest me. Luckily, gas has come down to under $2.50 at the discount stations here, lately. We do heat mainly with wood and some propane backup and we usually have 6 months of food supplies.

I wonder: if suddenly there was no petroleum fuel, would we be the ones asking our Amish neighbors for a ride?
149 posted on 10/17/2005 1:33:23 PM PDT by reformedliberal (Bless our troops and pray for our nation.)
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To: G.Mason
Bwahahahahaha! I can see you trying to run with your pockets full of gold coins, or trading one for a cup of soup, while trying to

Whatever! How about take the gold sell it back to the coin dealer at whatever price FEDBUX are trading for and buy the building the soup kitchen is in at the depression level price. A lot of people got rich in the 1930's doing that.

Me? I'm gonna use a $100.00 gun to take his soup. ;)

I notice the little smiley. But for the benefit of other readers -- I'll leave the looting to the liberals, self-justifying leftists, thugs, thieves and politicians. Conservatives and Libertarians prefer voluntary trade to strong arm theft. At least I do !

150 posted on 10/17/2005 1:34:26 PM PDT by Jack Black
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To: RightWhale
Keep in mind that published commodity prices only apply to gas that has not already been sold under long-term contracts. As far as I know, the majority of natural gas used by utilites has been purchased under long-term contracts at a fixed price. Gas utilites may also be hedged in the commodity markets against rising gas prices on the remaining gas. So the remaining gas that's not in long-term contracts is going to explode in price in the commodity markets, but only part of that cost will flow through to customers.

Nonetheless, I've read that long-term contract prices are up from last year and when combined with increases in uncontracted gas, most customers should see a 30-50% increase in their heating bills. But this will not be the huge crisis that some (commodity traders?) are loudly predicting.

151 posted on 10/17/2005 1:37:02 PM PDT by carl in alaska (Blog blog bloggin' on heaven's door.....Kerry's speeches are just one big snore.)
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To: Jack Black

Not to mention that the folks I know who have put away some gold, insure it with plenty of lead, brass and steel.


152 posted on 10/17/2005 1:38:36 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: carl in alaska

That's true. Some firms habitually lay in contracts several months in advance. They have lucked out this time and got a relatively good price. Some airlines locked in supplies way in advance and aren't in big trouble at the moment; other airlines didn't contract so far in advance and have gotten burnt to the point of bankruptcy. It's a tradeoff because it commits funds. Most businesses would rather not commit funds so far in advance.


153 posted on 10/17/2005 1:44:56 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: simon says what
Another way of interpreting that chart is that for 24 periods Gold returned more, sometimes a lot more, than the S&P 500, while for 4 periods the S&P returned more. Based on this reading Gold has been a significantly better investment most of the time period in question
154 posted on 10/17/2005 1:46:19 PM PDT by Jack Black
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To: ex-Texan
"The Sun's brown dwarf 'dark' companion has disrupted cometary orbits and has sent a group of destructive comets headed our way. The comets are due to arrive in a time window extending over the next five years."

LOL...a tinfoil hat won't do you any good when those comets arrive. Bruce Willis will have to lead a mission to blast the comet(s) with nukes and send them away from earth.

155 posted on 10/17/2005 1:47:35 PM PDT by carl in alaska (Blog blog bloggin' on heaven's door.....Kerry's speeches are just one big snore.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
So, you're admitting that someone who bought gold in 1980 underperformed the S&P 500?

Why not? It would be honest. Being a shill is dishonest, would you not agree? Markets are cyclical. In the 1990s, it was tech stocks. Today, it is commodity stocks and commodities themselves.

What will "it" be next? Who knows? We'll figure that out when we get there.

To address your attempt to dismiss, someone buying the S&P 500 in 2001 would be sitting on a loss compared to just about anything else out there. So much for "the stock market always goes up."

What is gold's earnings and what dividend does it pay?

What is a house's earnings and what dividend does it pay? By this same logic, nobody should buy a house. Are you willing to tell people that?

Likewise, Cisco stock pays no dividend and GM has negative earnings. Invest wisely.

You *can* lease gold and earn a return on it that way. Likewise, you can open a Gold CD with Everbank and actually take the profits straight in $USD should you wish to do so.

Presently, the stock market indices are going nowhere; its a sideways market currently. A resumption of a bull market would require the indices to take out their 2001 highs and that just is not going to happen.

Profits are where you find them. There is no single magic bullet for anything. My personal favorite is this:

DJIA, 1971: 1000
DJIA, 2005: 10500
Total Return: 1050%

Gold, 1971: $35
Gold, 2005: $470
Total Return: 1343%

Makes one wonder if the market is simply running on inflation or not if Gold is outperforming it.

When Gold appears to have topped, I'll sell mine and move on to the next thing, just like when I sold out of the stock market in 2001 and plowed into commodities and gold - and laugh my way to the bank.

156 posted on 10/17/2005 1:48:09 PM PDT by superloser
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To: Mark17
Lead, with a large powder charge behind it, may be more valuble than gold at that time.

"All politcal power comes out of the barrel of a gun."
Mao Tse Tung

157 posted on 10/17/2005 1:55:30 PM PDT by Snardius
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Sorry, my family doesn't owe anything to foreigners.

I think he is referring to the billions of dollars of US treasuries that are owned by foreigners. Since We the People are the issuers of such debt, by proxy we owe money to foreigners.

158 posted on 10/17/2005 2:01:17 PM PDT by Snardius
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To: Travis McGee
"I think this is a good departure point for serious discussion of where our national economy is heading....which many believe may be off of a cliff."

Unfortunately, some of the people who believe the economy is heading "off a cliff" are acting like lemmings and preparing to follow the lead lemmings off a financial cliff by putting most of their assets into gold and silver. I don't think this is a good time to be betting on higher inflation and higher gold prices. The economy appears to be slowing to about a 2.5% growth rate, real estate prices are gradually correcting back to more reasonable levels in many areas, and gasoline prices will almost certainly fall back under $2.50 by early next year (barring a supply disruption in the Middle East.)

159 posted on 10/17/2005 2:03:39 PM PDT by carl in alaska (Blog blog bloggin' on heaven's door.....Kerry's speeches are just one big snore.)
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To: Travis McGee
I never trusted the fat cats and insiders running the stock market.

I got out of the market long ago, and have sat and watched many lose their shirts, among other things.

160 posted on 10/17/2005 2:05:01 PM PDT by Black Tooth (The more people I meet, the more I like my dog.)
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