Posted on 10/15/2005 10:30:55 AM PDT by sageb1
TOLEDO, Ohio (AP) - Police used tear gas to break up a rock-throwing crowd that had gathered to protest a planned march Saturday by the National Socialist Movement.
At least two dozen members of a Roanoke, Va.-based group that calls itself "America's Nazi Party" had gathered at Wilson Park just before noon and were to march under police protection.
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They actually meant it? Color me shocked.
Where have YOU been all night? : )
I'm goin' nite-nitey.
Sleep tight everyone.
Sweet dreams.
The bar may have been closed but what of the residences above.
Nazism was crushed in 1945. We aren't at war with the Nazis today. We do have other enemies to worry about now. The NSM has atrocious views so I'll try not to make much more light of the group than I already have, but you need to ask yourself why these people have embraced this crazy cause. Might it not have something to do with the fact that are of a race that is discriminated against by law through affirmative action, is dwindling relative to non-white immigration, and frankly well seems on the path toward oblivion? It's tragic they've adopted Hitler as their hero, but some sane individuals need to co-opt these folks so they feel they have a choice other than embrace the Nazi ideology. Obviously they're neither smart nor broad-minded nor sensible, but no one seems to be representing them so that they feel they don't have any future as an ethnic group other than to do what they're doing.
Or is it Henryk Ibsen?
A communist organization DID have people there to 'protest the Nazis'. I'm not makin' it up.
Well, that'll show those Nazis that we can have a KrystalNacht all of our own. Damn idiots. Any reason for a riot. Today we party tomorrow we starve.
Nazis aren't an ethnic group anymore than Democrats or Republicans are. It's a political ideology.
"Where have YOU been all night? : )"
On Yokohama time. It sometimes puts me out of synch.
We have friends that moved to a small town in western PA. Their neighborhood has 2 "block" parties a year. The kids are allowed to play hide and seek in anyones yard and they are watched. It's a closeknit neighborhood that's reminiscent of our childhood.
Of course Nazis aren't an ethnic group. The ethnic group is European-American.
"Nazis aren't an ethnic group anymore than Democrats or Republicans are. It's a political ideology."
Yeah, but American Nazis seem to be most intent on the racial issues.
Might it not have something to do with the fact that are of a race that is discriminated against by law through affirmative action, is dwindling relative to non-white immigration, and frankly well seems on the path toward oblivion?
I think you're falling into the whole 'race' trap that you have correctly (IMO) condemned the Nazi types for. Do not be concerned for 'the preservation of the white race' (whatever that is). Be concerned for the preservation of liberty and justice for everyone, whether their skins be white, black, brown, red, or purple with pink polka-dots. Some of the best arguments against affirmative action, for example, have come from African-Americans like Thomas Sowell and Janice Rogers Brown.
Ideals matter. Race doesn't.
>>geez, my brother-in-law's old bar
Yes...I did a yahoo search for bars at/near that location and it said Jim and Lou's. Confirmed in the following news
article excerpt:
" Louis Ratajski, 86, and his nephew, Terry Rybczynski, left Jim & Lou's Bar as a crowd gathered in front pelting police with rocks and breaking the windows. They climbed down a fire escape from the apartment where Ratajski lived over the bar and only later saw the fire on television.
"I was shaking. I feared for my life." Rybczynski said.
if they just ignored them nobody would of even known about this march...
>>They said on the 11 o'clock news that someone who lived above it had been thrown out of a second story window. Not sure if that's true
From an article linked to Drudge (I also mentioned in a post above this):
>>They climbed down a fire escape from the apartment where Ratajski lived over the bar and only later saw the fire on television.
Agreed. Free speech does not only apply to those with whom you agree, but to those you don't.
I'm an American of mostly German descent. I don't embrace nazi ideology and don't feel the need to. Anyone that embraces Nazi ideology does so because they agree with it.
Not neccesarily. Do you remember all the trouble Germany was having awhile back with the resurgence of Nazism? They may still be but I haven't kept up with it.
Sorry, wrong.... libel, slander are punishable.
And didn't I say so? And who is prosecuting these nazis for libel and slander? No one...because they haven't engaged in these particular crimes.
Deal with it yourself....the Nazi's did not have a permit to march.Actually, they had organized the plan of the march with the local police beforehand. They very much had approval from the local authorities for their march, regardless of what the chicken-sh_t local politicians now are trying to say. The police only denied them their march after the police had lost control of the situation. Only threats of physical violence caused the march not to happen, and it is those making those threats - and actual violence - to wit, the rioters, who were breaking any laws.
I think you're missing the point.
No, you miss it.
Put up or shut up? Who 'egged' the rioters on?Anti-Racist Action, One People's Project, the usual motley collection of commies and anarchists and "anti-racist" morons who live for these kinds of chances to commit mayhem. All the nazis said was that they were going to march to protest black crime targeting white people; they did not threaten violence and the local police would not have cooperated with them in planning the march, had they been threatening violence. The only people threatening violence, and committing violence, where the anti-racist organizers and their collaborators. You are missing the substance of the story and falling for the media trick that this was a "neo-nazi riot". It's a lie: the nazis did not threaten violence, did not riot, did not break the law in the slightest.
I'm glad I don't live next to you in Toledo. Sounds like you'd welcome the Nazis with open arms, no matter the cost to my family.Then you are a fool. But you still miss the facts: these handful of nazi wannabees didn't cause a damn thing. Toledo has been a hell hole and has been getting worse, and the "nazis" had nothing to do with it. You're like those clueless reactionaries in the 1960's blaming "outside agitators" for causing riots. Newsflash: the rioters were local, and there have been a number of these riots in Ohio in the past few years. It's part of a larger pattern which the neo-nazis had nothing to do with. The neo-nazis are very much Johnny-come-latelies.
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