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White House warns holdouts
U.S.News.com ^ | 10/13/05 | Kenneth T. Walsh

Posted on 10/13/2005 5:47:35 PM PDT by baystaterebel

White House officials have a message for conservative Republican senators who have expressed doubt about supporting Supreme Court nominee Harriet Miers.

The West Wing types argue that she will turn out to be just as conservative as President Bush says she is, and voting against her would be an embarrassment over the long term. This message is intended for holdouts including Sam Brownback of Kansas, Tom Coburn of Oklahoma, and Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania.

"If Miers is confirmed and she winds up being what the president says she is, Republican senators who voted against her will look quite foolish," says a GOP insider. This could cause a backlash against these legislators from conservative Bush supporters at the grass roots.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: miers; scotus
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To: justshutupandtakeit

You are the weakes debater on here. Weakes I've ever seen, you just cite strawmen arguments over and over again. You do the Party no good.

Your usefullness is questioned so report to Section9 of your cell.


421 posted on 10/13/2005 9:42:13 PM PDT by rbmillerjr
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To: Republican Wildcat
Santorum supported SPECTER over TOOMEY, thereby stabbing conservatives in the back. That hardly qualifies as sticking his neck out for conservatives. In my book it's sticking his neck out for a Rino. Sorry.

But for his and the president's support of Specter we wouldn't have the problem of Specter on the Judiciary.

422 posted on 10/13/2005 9:42:20 PM PDT by TAdams8591 (It's the Supreme Court, stupid!)
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To: gogogodzilla
Stating the Republicans are EVIL people.

You are ... mistaken (nice word for lying).

423 posted on 10/13/2005 9:42:24 PM PDT by af_vet_1981
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To: empirekin768

No, I do not believe that the communist liberals have a chance to win control of congress.


424 posted on 10/13/2005 9:42:24 PM PDT by scratcher
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To: Black Tooth
Here ya go:

The President speaks with Margaret Thatcher on her 80th birthday, Oct. 13, 2005.

425 posted on 10/13/2005 9:43:07 PM PDT by falpro
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To: Don'tMessWithTexas
Many of us voted for GWB for no other reason than to have him pick justices in the mold of Scalia and Thomas. It appears to me that this pick has betrayed that trust.

Are you willing to cut Bush any slack on this promise? After all, the unconstitutional filibusters concocted by Schumer, Kennedy, Clinto et. al. were implemented after he made that promise.

For the record, my two biggest reasons for voting Bush were:

1. The courts, and

2. the terrorists.

426 posted on 10/13/2005 9:45:15 PM PDT by Kryptonite
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To: empirekin768

"All I'm asking, is you consider the implications for this. Elections didn't come to an end in 2004 and Bush is not the last president we'll ever have."
__________________________________________________________

Presidents come and go, Supreme court justices last a lifetime.


427 posted on 10/13/2005 9:45:33 PM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: justshutupandtakeit

"Miers has a fine record and certainly meets any qualification posed by the Constitution."

Great, half the people on here (base voters all) expect more than the minimum requirement out of a SCOTUS associate justice from a Republican president. Now believe me, they're not going to suddenly start diminishing their expectations and fall in love with the wisdom of the pick. That is short of discovering Miers wrote several distinguished volumes on natural rights and constitutional law under a pen name. If the WH had an argument that would content the discontented among us, we'd have heard it by now.

So in light of that, what are you going to do about it? The Bush administration's position is to win the argument at all cost. I don't think this is a remotely sensible course for the administration to take. I don't mean to hammer you, but really the political situation relative to the division of the base, is now critically more important than the nominee herself. But this is a foreign notion to most Miers advocates. They want to fight their brothers and win the day for Bush. I and others on the other hand, want to win the 2006 election over the Democrats.


428 posted on 10/13/2005 9:45:59 PM PDT by empirekin768
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To: justshutupandtakeit
By invocation of the Hitler Rule you lose the debate. Thanks for playing and try again sometime.

As do you, for miscitation of Godwin. Buh-bye!

429 posted on 10/13/2005 9:48:08 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: scratcher

"No, I do not believe that the communist liberals have a chance to win control of congress."

Well, you have to wonder then if you're tendering sound politcal advice with an assumption like that. The Democrats can certainly win. They are well organized, well financed and totally determined. Their views are marginally unpopular it's true, so they need out help granted. We're currently helping.


430 posted on 10/13/2005 9:51:29 PM PDT by empirekin768
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To: Cboldt
You didn't answer it because you don't operate on principle, you operate on politics.

I told you why I didn't answer it. Now you're calling me a liar just like you're calling the President and Miers liars.

I see how you operate Oh cBOLDt One.

431 posted on 10/13/2005 9:52:17 PM PDT by falpro
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To: syriacus

"Condi Rice is a Bush crony."


That is a false statement. Condi had a vigprous and open intellectual life well before Bush came on the scene. She was a mind even in the 80's.

Harriet has been a Bush toady for about a decade.


432 posted on 10/13/2005 9:52:33 PM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: justshutupandtakeit
"After every GOP Senator votes to confirm then what are you going to say?"

Since they had the ability to stop this stealth nominee and did not because of their cowardice and political opportunism, I will say to them that if she ever votes to let abortion continue unabated that the blood of millions of little babies will be on their hands.

I will say if she ever votes to allow homosexual "marriage" that they will be the ones responsible for the lasting damage done to the institution of the family.

I will say that Almighty God will hold them, accountable for failing to do their duty to question the President of their party.

433 posted on 10/13/2005 9:52:51 PM PDT by Don'tMessWithTexas
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To: tennmountainman

Yep, we're agreed on that dimension too.


434 posted on 10/13/2005 9:52:57 PM PDT by empirekin768
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To: empirekin768

"But this is a foreign notion to most Miers advocates. They want to fight their brothers and win the day for Bush. I and others on the other hand, want to win the 2006 election over the Democrats"

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Bush has pulled out the stops on this nomination.
Why didn't he pull out all the stops against the Gang Of 14? He's willing to fight a just and necessary war in Iraq, but is not willing to lay the Gauntlet down on Senate democrats and a couple of RINO's


435 posted on 10/13/2005 9:53:14 PM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: Gondring
As do you, for miscitation of Godwin. Buh-bye!
436 posted on 10/13/2005 9:53:28 PM PDT by af_vet_1981
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To: justshutupandtakeit
But you have to have some evidence the President did something stupid.

Okay...How about "weak" and "trust-breaking"? I can't be sure he wasn't intentionally trying to weaken the Party, so maybe it wasn't stupid.

He performed his Constitutionally mandated duty and now the Senate will perform his.[sic]

Ah, so is this the answer you'd be giving if he'd nominated Hillary?

437 posted on 10/13/2005 9:54:49 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: af_vet_1981

It's time for your medication. Please go to the nurse and receive your pills.


438 posted on 10/13/2005 9:56:18 PM PDT by Don'tMessWithTexas
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To: af_vet_1981

Do you take out public ads to undermine him while people are trying to get him fired (even as he is responsible for many people's lives during a war) ?




My Dad is not responsible for anyones' life in war OR peace. And I don't need to take out ads to talk to him. He listens to me and we give each other respect. I don't just blindly kiss his ass like so many here are doing for the President. I am a Conservative. Not a Republican. I don't give two $hits what happens to your party except as it effects conservatism. George Bush is NOT my father, he is my President. When I think he is wrong, I will say so. If that hurts your feelings or whatever....I don't care.


439 posted on 10/13/2005 9:58:36 PM PDT by trubluolyguy (Dude seriously, if you don't quit being so poor I'm gonna start huckin' rocks at ya!)
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To: empirekin768
I still think it is very unlikely. Their liberal views are becoming highly unpopular even in my state of CA
440 posted on 10/13/2005 10:02:27 PM PDT by scratcher
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