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READ MY LIPS: THOMAS AND SCALIA
Me | 10-7-02 | Me

Posted on 10/07/2005 8:51:48 PM PDT by Urbane_Guerilla

Don't you remember the utter let-down when elder Bush broke the fundamental promise he made, "No new taxes"?

The promise was not merely a bow to the Laffer curve, it was an emotional and pyschological statement to the many people in this country who still believe in constitutional goverment, and who knew that taxation was the means to undermine constitutional government, liberty and freedom, to put it another way.

The younger Bush promised a Thomas or Scalia for the same reasons: to tell the believers in constitutional government that supporting him would mean a definitive change in the jurisprudence of this country, jurisprudence which adhered to the basic concepts in our Constitution, not to a sort of current intellectual church of what's happening now.

In both cases, there was an even deeper issue, the issue of integrity. Integrity is the first principle of conservatism. Integrity means an unflinching openness to the facts and faithful adherence to principle.

"No new taxes," "Thomas and Scalia."

Unlike the Left, conservatives usually have the integrity to call out their own, regardless of political cost. The subtle political benefit of integrity is that there are so many people (conservatives) who vote for the politician who is actually honest.

Now, it is not a matter of calling out one of our own. It is a matter of calling out a charlatan, who pretended to be one of our own.


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KEYWORDS: elitism; harrietmiers; lookatme; runyourself; seminarposter; snob; supremecourt; supremevanity; vanitypost; worthlessvanity
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To: NewJerseyJoe
"We have NO way of evaluating this person, one way or the other. She has no record we can review, no great deposit of public commentary to reflect her judicial philosophy, etc."

Which is why the Dems don't either. It would be nice if we could all have secret decoder rings, so we could be told without telling the Dems. But since McCain managed to put the kibosh on our one good chance to eliminate the judicial filibuster, this is reality.

261 posted on 10/08/2005 3:59:44 AM PDT by maryz
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To: Urbane_Guerilla
Integrity means an unflinching openness to the facts and faithful adherence to principle.

Integrity means blaming the son for the mistakes of the father? Well, OK, I guess . . .

262 posted on 10/08/2005 4:00:50 AM PDT by maryz
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To: Urbane_Guerilla
Their brilliant opinions, their profound understanding of our Constitutional government, were there for all to see.

Please refer me to Thomas's brilliant decisions pre-confirmation, when NR was calling him "souteresque." Thank you.

263 posted on 10/08/2005 4:02:48 AM PDT by maryz
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To: Howlin

It appears the same folks in here that were incensed about Schiavo are the same ones going apoplectic about Miers.


264 posted on 10/08/2005 4:12:04 AM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon)
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To: Urbane_Guerilla
He is not a man who believes in constitutional government.

He is not a man who can wave a wand or twitch his nose and make 40+ years of Dem supremacy (aided and abetted by the MSM) disappear.

265 posted on 10/08/2005 4:17:46 AM PDT by maryz
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham
She didn't refuse to join the Federalist Society because she was "busy working," but because she didn't believe in its goals.

It would have been thoughtful to provide a link.

266 posted on 10/08/2005 4:19:11 AM PDT by maryz
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To: Lancey Howard
There was no need for the slightest uncertainty.

. . . unless of course an actual confirmation was the goal.

267 posted on 10/08/2005 4:22:47 AM PDT by maryz
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To: doesnt suffer fools gladly
I think Bush has let a large portion of his base down. With the pool of proven conservative originalists to choose from, his Mier's pick has me just shaking my head.

I think it genius.

President Bush is a quick study. Nobody ever thought he'd have the cajones to do what he did in Afghanistan and Iraq and the United Nations.

He saw the outcome of his father's approach regarding Souter...letting Sununu or a 3rd party have too much influence.

He also studied Reagan's "mistake" on O'Connor.

I believe he covets his media-driven persona of being a Texas backwoods hick (if there is such a thing)

Truth is, his presidency makes Bubba's palid by comparison and his legacy will put him up there alongside Reagan as a Man of his time.

268 posted on 10/08/2005 4:25:06 AM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon)
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To: Spiff
he promised to nominate somebody who already was in that mold.

Unfortunately, the Dems' promise to defeat anyone whom they can prove is in that mold.

269 posted on 10/08/2005 4:31:31 AM PDT by maryz
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To: Spiff
Miers is not, nor do I doubt she will ever be, a Thomas or Scalia.

I didn't realize you were that well acquainted with her.

270 posted on 10/08/2005 4:32:30 AM PDT by maryz
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To: Urbane_Guerilla; sinkspur
Look at your marriage for corroboration.

LOL! Do you think sinkspur asked prosective brides to submit a resume, instead of choosing someone he knew personally?

271 posted on 10/08/2005 4:34:39 AM PDT by maryz
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To: Howlin

Quote:"Our own" what?

You're certainly not speaking for the vast majority of people on this forum."

No..indeed not.


272 posted on 10/08/2005 4:35:21 AM PDT by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: JerseyHighlander; Howlin
You don't even pretend to care about insulting 25% of the poll respondents on FR, or the effects that has on debate and discussion here.

You must admit the complexion of Freepers has changed drastically as we've grown since the Impeachment.

No, I think the 25% you're referring to need to get their butts kicked...or else we'll have another bloody Schiavo-type war.

Fool me once...you know the rest.

I didn't particularly care being sent to the smoky backroom. ;^)

273 posted on 10/08/2005 4:38:17 AM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon)
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To: sinkspur

I am not going to use DU style attacks in any posting, but would like this kicked around. Let's say Bush made a great choice in the nomination of Miers. Why would he pick someone who was in the White House as Mr. Bush's lawyer, who will have to sit out (recuse) any area she came into contact while Mr. Bush's counsel?

Not an ideal situation, in my opinion.


274 posted on 10/08/2005 4:48:59 AM PDT by JohnD9207 (Lead...follow...or get the HELL out of the way!)
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To: DCPatriot
I think it genius.

In airplane talk: Rodger that. I am amazed at the folks here who opine about Meirs with no knowledge about the women. That in contrast to the President who obviously knows her very well.

The President has made a living on having folks (primarily NE snobish Yankees)under estimate him. Fellow Texans don't see that smirk, rather that's another "gotcha".

When you read this thread I have to agree with another poster...we have our share of loony's on the far right who rather than think for themselves play follow the leader..

275 posted on 10/08/2005 4:52:57 AM PDT by RVN Airplane Driver (Thanks America for not slapping us in the face again.)
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To: bkepley

You got me, fair and square. I gotta except it. ;OP


276 posted on 10/08/2005 4:57:12 AM PDT by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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To: All

/wow, the invective on this thread is more personal attacks on anybody who dare hold the President to what he said he would do...nominate justices who would be in the mold of Thomas and Scalia.

Read my lips conservatives.


277 posted on 10/08/2005 5:04:10 AM PDT by rbmillerjr
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To: DCPatriot
Malcontents here, are what, does it include those who supported Keyes Bauer or Forbes in the '99 primary? They returned to the fold long ago, held only one campaign promise made by Bush as sacrosanct, that of "SC judges like Scalia and Thomas", and have compromised on every situation away from their principles. The only faction within this big tent Compassionate Conservative coalition are now the arbitrators of Republican's appropriate level of Compassion, a judgment that allows one to stay inside the tent, and are the ones who are abandoning Bush's one sacrosanct campaign promise made to other factions of the Conservative wing of the Republican coalition, and are attempting to banish anyone who dare speak up against a unqualified woman who surprise surprise, is one of their own, the first of their faction to be nominated to the Supreme Court since 1931.

The only defense they have for her nomination is a reason that only satisfies their own base of religious social conservatives, and has very little value to conservatives of other stripes who have worked alongside Bush for 6 years now building up to this very moment.

Those who adamantly supported Terry's cause are once again going full bore to fracture the Republican coalition for their narrow focused cause.
278 posted on 10/08/2005 5:07:37 AM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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To: Howlin
...you'll either willfully obtuse or you're sorely ill-informed.

Sorely ill-informed? No. Sorely uninformed. As of yet those of us who rely on the public record know NOTHING of her judicial temperament. There's nothing on the public record to know.

Willfully obtuse? Meaning I'm missing what? Aside from her church affiliation and friendship with the President, I have no information on her at all.

If you have special information, please, share it. The public record is bereft, because she has no public record of relevance.

At this special moment in history, conservatives are expected to accept an enigma and a promise.

279 posted on 10/08/2005 5:09:51 AM PDT by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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To: DCPatriot; Howlin

no, that isn't accurate. this nomination has reshuffled the ideological decks of freepers. Howlin and i were on opposite sides of Schiavo and Elian, but we are of like mind here. Yet there are people who i agreed with on Schiavo, on both sides of this nomination. there isn't any easy way to dissect this on the basis of ideology/philosophy, i am afraid.


280 posted on 10/08/2005 5:18:19 AM PDT by xsmommy
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