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Krauthammer: Retreat (on Miers' nomination to SCOTUS)
Townhall.com ^ | 10-7-05 | Charles Krauthammer

Posted on 10/06/2005 8:54:53 AM PDT by cgk

Edited on 10/06/2005 9:03:34 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

WASHINGTON -- When in 1962 Edward Moore Kennedy ran for his brother's seat in the Senate, his opponent famously said that if Kennedy's name had been Edward Moore, his candidacy would have been a joke. If Harriet Miers were not a crony of the president of the United States, her nomination to the Supreme Court would be a joke, as it would have occurred to no one else to nominate her.


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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: crony; harrietmiers; krauthammer; miers; scotus
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To: Earthdweller; Howlin
Howlin and I don't agree on everything but I'd say that was uncalled for ...

You two should get a room.

201 posted on 10/06/2005 10:27:36 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: jess35
You are correct in pointing out the fact that two groups are at work in the Meirs nomination, but you are incorrect in your assesment of the groups.

The two groups at work are the Bible thumpers, and BushBots, Both blindly follow, and the second group is everyone else.

202 posted on 10/06/2005 10:28:33 AM PDT by devane617
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To: Graymatter
"Elitist" is the label pinned on people who insist on merit, by people who are short on it.

And who then use their merit to give us abominations like Roe v. Wade, because with their merit, they were able to find penumbras where none existed before.

I guess I'm a moron shoert of merit, because I've read the entire Constitution time and time again, and for the life of me I can't spot that penumbra. Maybe I need to pass the paper over a candle so it appears. Maybe I need to go back to school and learn how to give words new meaning.

203 posted on 10/06/2005 10:28:52 AM PDT by dirtboy (Drool overflowed my buffer...)
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To: jess35
It seems to me that we have two groups of people weighing in on this matter. The elitists...who believe you must attend the "right" law school and work for the "right" law firm and attend the "right" social functions.....

What are you Bush hacks trying to tell the base with this focus-group-tested line: that they're stupid and uneducated, and should do as they're told? Seems like y'all might be taking this "reverse snobbery" tack a little too far.

and those who believe the Constitution was written for the people, not for the lawyers.

Gee, ya mean Miers isn't a lawyer? She's just a li'l ol' people? Is that why we "Ivy League" elitists oppose her? Or is it because we---meaning everyone in the base---were solemnly, explicitly and repeatedly promised a distinguished nominee like Scalia or Thomas for SCOTUS, not Bush's personal lawyer? Ya think????

204 posted on 10/06/2005 10:30:15 AM PDT by Map Kernow ("I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing" ---Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Graymatter
"Elitist" is the label pinned on people who insist on merit, by people who are short on it.

No, an "elitist" is someone who accepts a resume as shorthand for merit.

In this case, her "merit" is not known to either of us. Her "merit" lies in her views on the Constitution, and those are largely unknown outside the POTUS' inner circle.

You may argue that the pick is poor BECAUSE we cannot evaluate her, but that is quite a different argument.

Since we KNOW, beyond a doubt, that the right resume has zero correlation to an ability to read the plain meaning of words, we KNOW that her resume, or lack of one, is immaterial to her merit to serve on the Court.

What's more, this lack of correlation has been a centerpiece of conservative criticism of court picks for decades now.

Now, suddenly, it is important that a court pick be "accomplished"?

I don't care if she is "accomplished". I want her to be a good judge. THE LAST 50 YEARS OF SCOTUS HISTORY DEMONSTRATES THERE IS NO CONNECTION BETWEEN THESE TWO.

So, given that, what to do?

Answer: pick someone who is competent in the law but who you know PERSONALLY will read the document the way it is written. And that is what Bush did.

205 posted on 10/06/2005 10:30:54 AM PDT by Taliesan (The power of the State to do good is the power of the State to do evil.)
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To: jess35
If you're going to run around calling other people a "liar", kindly back it up with just a little evidence.

The evidence is in George Will's and Ann Coulter's columns. Have you read these? Are you saying the evidence is not plainly there? What is your point?

206 posted on 10/06/2005 10:30:58 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: Howlin

Exactly. I never voted for him thinking we would agree on everything; that person could never get elected, even 30 years ago. I elected him for judges, and he hasn't failed yet.


207 posted on 10/06/2005 10:32:36 AM PDT by rwfromkansas (http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=rwfromkansas)
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To: cynicom


LOL!!!


208 posted on 10/06/2005 10:32:59 AM PDT by exdem2000
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To: ClearCase_guy
Years from now we will look back and we will know which commentators were right on Miers. Right now, everyone is just taking their best guess.

That's the problem, isn't it? - - "years from now".... It didn't have to be that way, and I am sick of having to keep my fingers crossed for years.

With so many good judges out there who are certifiable warriors of the right, who are fighting the good fight every day on the front lines, paying their dues and then some, and leaving a "paper trail" a mile long, why did Bush have to come up with two stealths in a row??

Now we can only keep our fingers crossed and hope that Miers isn't another Souter.

209 posted on 10/06/2005 10:33:39 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: sinkspur
Cheerleading Pat Buchanan and Joe Farah is a sign of mental illness.

The way things are headed, it might make better odds than cheerleading for Bush, 'spur. Crazy all the way to the bank, knowwhaddahmean?

210 posted on 10/06/2005 10:33:54 AM PDT by Map Kernow ("I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing" ---Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Mamzelle

LOL.

"BS" is a pretty good label, isn't it?

Would that be BSist?


211 posted on 10/06/2005 10:34:40 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: Map Kernow

Thomas was not considered distinguished when appointed. People, on both sides of the political spectrum, were calling him Bush's affirmative action pick.


212 posted on 10/06/2005 10:35:01 AM PDT by stop_fascism
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To: stop_fascism
Exactly. People should read the constitution, its short and clear (and written by people who didn't graduate from Ivy league schools.) It only takes a genius to argue that the constitution doesn't mean what is clearly written.

Add a corpus of binding decisions construing that constitution in a mind-boggling array of fact patterns stretching over the last couple of hundred years and it's not so simple.
213 posted on 10/06/2005 10:38:23 AM PDT by SalukiLawyer
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To: stop_fascism

I pray you are right and I am wrong.


214 posted on 10/06/2005 10:38:54 AM PDT by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: Howlin

Well let the 'take my ball and go home crowd' rant all they want to. In the end Ms. Miers will be confirmed as the next Associate Justice. I think she'll be a fine one but that's neither here nor there. She met the criteria of the man choosing her and I'd trust his vision into knowing her as opposed to some keyboard jockeys who know not one whit about her ideology nor have had a personal discussion with her over the years....

Bushbots..... Bush bashers..... Donner Party faithful..... right wingers..... left wingers..... liberals...... conservatives.... etc. etc. Labels are basically a dime a dozen and are interesting to pique the group they are thrown at otherwise they aren't worth much more than a warm bucket of spit.


215 posted on 10/06/2005 10:39:14 AM PDT by deport (Miers = Souter....... A red herring which they know but can't help themselves from using)
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To: Howlin
When they can't argue their case ... that is when the name calling starts

On another thread I was called a retard

WOW ... I'm sooooooooooo impressed with such a mature discussion/debate like that

216 posted on 10/06/2005 10:40:32 AM PDT by Mo1
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To: dirtboy
Wasn't that long ago Krauthammer wrote a vile screed against the World War II monument in D.C.

He attacked every single aspect of the memorial.

Sometimes the man is simply way off the mark.

217 posted on 10/06/2005 10:40:43 AM PDT by OldFriend (One Man With Courage Makes a Majority ~ Andrew Jackson)
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To: SalukiLawyer

If you're trying to say that lawyers have fornicated up the constitution, I won't disagree. However, I don't think that's a good thing.


218 posted on 10/06/2005 10:41:48 AM PDT by stop_fascism
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To: cgk

To a drunken bum lying in a gutter, everyone walking above him is 'elitist'!


219 posted on 10/06/2005 10:41:56 AM PDT by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything!")
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To: Howlin; Patti_ORiley
It was never a democrats list, it was the Presidents list.

Schumer never even came close to endorsing her. He said "It could have been worse" He said there were only two women on the president's list that they did not already view as being from the far, far right extreme and she was one of them.
220 posted on 10/06/2005 10:42:08 AM PDT by 1035rep
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