I was trying to remember who he reminded me of.........turns out to be Johnny Jihad Lindh.
Posted on 10/01/2005 7:05:29 PM PDT by blogblogginaway
Edited on 10/01/2005 7:21:56 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
The explosion happened at the courtyard near the George Lynn Cross Hall, Botany-Microbiology Building on OU's campus, which is west of the stadium, according to Sgt. Gary Robinson of the University police department. The explosion happened during the second quarter of Oklahoma's game against Kansas State. After the explosion, police set up a perimeter of several blocks and made fans exit the stadium to the east.
NORMAN -- An explosion near the University of Oklahoma's Gaylord Family-Memorial Stadium killed one person Saturday, OU officials said.
I was trying to remember who he reminded me of.........turns out to be Johnny Jihad Lindh.
A common occurance amongst muslims.
A common occurance amongst muslims.
It's kind of like a football chin-strap. Perhaps a clue. Perhaps.
Yes, that too.
However, Amish men only grow their beards after they're married.
Yeah, all the people who think there should be a big hole, go visit Tirinty Test Site in New Mexico.
The tower that held held the ATOMIC bomb either is still standing or was standing until recently.
Amazing.
OK, it's been two days. And I've finally gotten to where I can talk with others to try to see how the conspiracy theories play out. And it still looks to me like the terrorist possibilities are tenous.
So, what would explain the facts as we know them while not pointing to a concerted islamic terrorist attack?
First, I stipulate the what I call "facts" are merely what has been reported, and may not be truthful. I can't know, I'm not conducting the investigation.
OK, we have a depressed, emotionally unstable student (father's report), who also is bright (reports, plus inference because he is an engineering student and junior, stupid people don't usually last that long in engineering).
We know people sometimes get mad at the world, and choose to commit suicide in a way that lashes back. For example, Columbine.
So, depressed student decides to blow himself up. Nobody flew planes into buildings until they flew planes into buildings, so the possibility that this is the first ever suicide by bomb doesn't bother me. Plus, if he wanted to take others with him this would be a good way to do so.
If you wanted to build a bomb, where would you go for information? Islamic web sites. So he downloads all the information he can find about islamic terrorism, since he's going to build a bomb.
He collects a lot of materials for bombs, and builds his bomb. The rest of the stuff remains in his residence, no surprise that there was more than he needed.
Maybe he's decided the students have mistreated him, or maybe it's random, but he decides it would be cool to take out the fans at the football game. He loads up and goes.
Then, either the increased security (reported here) prevented him from entering the stadium, or that was never his plan. He sits at the bench.
Maybe he is waiting for halftime knowing people will come out. Or maybe he has a change of heart and decides that he shouldn't kill anybody else.
So either he blows himself up on the bench when nobody else is close enough to be hurt, or he accidentally blows himself up while waiting.
If he had a backpack, the bomb squad would detonate it and find nothing. They would go to his residence and find the bomb-making equipment and the islamic terrorist information.
More on the islamic literature. Maybe he DID start hooking up with islamic sympathisers (he lived close by, and if he was mentally unstable they may have offered him an outlet for anger). Or maybe the islamist groups have an outreach program, and go door-to-door passing out literature, or they were handing it out on the street and he picked it up.
Or maybe he actually was swayed to believe america is the reason why he's depressed, and took it upon himself to blow up americans in a terrorist attack.
One thing is clear, after all. He DID make a bomb, he DID blow it up, and he COULD HAVE hurt others.
Now, what is not currently supported by any evidence is the belief this was a plot by al Qaeda, that this was part of a coordinated attack, that he has been working with a terror cell.
Why are the organizations investigating this attack? They have to -- it's a bomb blown up by a football stadium. You HAVE to investigate every lead. Just because we don't already KNOW he was part of a terror cell doesn't mean he wasn't. We have to make sure he wasn't. In a post 9/11 world we have to investigate things a lot more carefully.
But it is one thing having an open mind, conducting a thorough investigation, checking out possible terrorist ties.
NEIN on their web site says this was "definitely" a terrorist attack. That is too strong a statement for the facts as we know them. Our law enforcement needs to be careful not to overstate the case, or to cause needless panic.
So, I remain uncertain of either point of view. My opinion at this point is that this was not part of an ongoing plan by a terror cell. I think we will never know what his real motivations were, but on the other hand, if he was simply a depressed person wanting to kill himself, he STILL COMMITTED A TERRORIST ACT. So maybe that's why it looks like I am "backpeddling", when I am not.
My guess at this point? Depressed person commits suicide, after deciding against taking others with him. Used islamic sites to get bomb information, built bomb to take out others before changing his mind. I have no proof of this, and insufficient facts to be certain of this or other theories.
Agreed. Let's just hope that is their game plan, to smoke them out.
The lost revenues to all sporting events such as football games would be mind boggling. A stampede with 85,000 terrified people would be catastrophic.
Finally, there is this: a huge source of network revenue is sports. There may well be pressure from collegiate and professional spports organizations from the NFL to the NCAA to NASCAR or whomever to downplay or keep a lid on this so the gate reciepts, concessions, etc. do not suffer.
The all mighty bottom line dollar...
At the same time, this was not a well-executed explosion. [Thank God!] Either an amateur planned this, or it was an accident. No shrapnel. No major damage. Just a big, loud bang and one death.
I think, perhaps, you're right.
Neither did the DC Snipers's names suggest Jihadists until FR broke the code of the mediots.
ping for my ranting....
"More on the islamic literature. Maybe he DID start hooking up with islamic sympathisers (he lived close by, and if he was mentally unstable they may have offered him an outlet for anger)."
Bit of a reach, don't you think? He had Islamic literature? Not simply bomb making info? Well? He's part of Islam then. Blows self up. Allah akbar and all that. Simple.
Thanks for the ping; his picture told me a LOT.
bbl
they were already calling it an accident until the second plane hit. That was going to be the explanation until it was impossible to go with that.
Agreed. What if the "Ramadan Offensive" - or whatever they are calling it - is to be less coordinated than we would believe. Kinda like - do what you can - be it big or small - to terrorize Americans. Like charity - give what you can?
I am hesitant to think of Hinrichs as an innocent victim. I do think that if he truly was an angry person ( as some source state earlier) who also (as characterized by his dad) was convinced his life had no meaning and he had a knowledge and fascination with weapons. He would make a very good target for recruitment by a radical group. At this point I am not sure if the radical group would be Islamic or the likes of Aryan Brotherhood, Earth First, Shining Path, or the dozen others on terrorist watch groups.
But I def am not buying. " Gosh I feed all sad and rejected, guess I'll just mosey on down to the stadium with this explosive device attached to my person and let it go off. Yep that will show em".
The one main reason I am not buying Hinrichs as victim is that usually such scenarios ( remember the Pizza guy who was forced to wear a bomb) do include a demand by the person who strapped on the bomb. This is because the psychological horror of knowing that an innocent man is threatened with a horrible death to acheive another'st great evil tends to make people more eager to meet the demands. Unless the authorities are being very mum
( gosh???) there has been no mention of any demands.
PS. Did you know that your tin foil hat can also make a lovely bird feeder? Yep simply crimp the top part into a nice indentation and pour in some sun flower seed. Please watch out for squirrels.
Wow, he looks a little like Tom Hanks in that picture!
susie
FYI
http://homelandsecurityus.com/
Can someone post this entire story on FR to preserve it.
I don't know who to trust anymore as far as releasing info to us. They apparently have a reason for keeping us in the dark, let's just pray it's because they don't want to spook someone who is already on their radar, and not because they think it's better for us if we remain ...uninformed.
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