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Endangered Species Act rewrite passed by House
ap on San Diego Union Tribune ^ | 9/29/05 | Erica Werner - ap

Posted on 09/29/2005 4:42:21 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

WASHINGTON – The House on Thursday passed legislation that could greatly expand private property rights under the environmental law that is credited with helping keep the bald eagle from extinction but also has provoked bitter fighting.

By a vote of 229-193, lawmakers approved a top-to-bottom overhaul of the 1973 Endangered Species Act, perhaps the nation's most powerful environmental law. The law has led to contentious battles over species such as the spotted owl, the snail darter and the red-legged frog.

The rewrite faces an uncertain future in the Senate, where Republican Lincoln Chafee of Rhode Island, head of the panel that oversees the law, has expressed concerns about the House bill.

The bill would require the government to compensate property owners if steps to protect species thwarted development plans. It also would make political appointees responsible for some scientific determinations and would stop the government from designating "critical habitat," which limits development.

The changes were pushed through by the chairman of the House Resources Committee, GOP Rep. Richard Pombo. The California rancher contends the current rules unduly burden landowners and lead to costly lawsuits while doing too little to save plants and animals.

"You've got to pay when you take away somebody's private property. That is what we have to do," Pombo told House colleagues. "The only way this is going to work is if we bring in property owners to be part of the solution and to be part of recovering those species."

Many Democrats and moderate Republicans said Pombo's bill would eliminate important protections for species and clear the way for large handouts from the government to property owners.

The bill sets a "dangerous precedent that private individuals must be paid to comply with an environmental law," said Rep. Nick Rahall of West Virginia, the committee's top Democrat.

"What's next? Paying citizens to wear seat belts? ... This bill will not improve species' ability to recover," he said.

A White House statement on Thursday supported the bill. But it noted that payments to private property owners could have a "significant" impact on the budget.

The Congressional Budget Office estimated that those payments would run less than $20 million a year. The bill's opponents predicted a much higher total.

The Fish and Wildlife Service says there are 1,268 threatened and endangered plants and animals in the United States. About a dozen have gone off the list over the years after they were determined to have recovered; nine have become extinct.

Just this week, a toad that environmentalists say is being killed off by an invasive fungus that may have originated in Africa is no longer a candidate for protection under the act, the agency said. It said the boreal toad is a subspecies of a toad whose habitat ranges from Alaska to New Mexico.

Pombo's bill would:

–Eliminate critical habitat. That is area now required to be designated when a species is listed and is protected from adverse actions by federal agencies. Instead, "recovery plans" for species, including designation of habitat, would have to be developed within two years. The recovery plans would not have regulatory force and the habitat would not be protected from federal actions.

–Specify that landowners with development plans are due answers from the interior secretary within 180 days, with a 180-day extension possible, about whether the development would harm protected species. If the government fails to respond in time, the development could go forward. If the government blocks the development, the landowner would be paid the fair market value of the proposed development.

–Give the interior secretary the job of determining what constitutes appropriate scientific data for decision-making under the law.

An alternative from a group of Democrats and moderate Republicans would have strengthened the recovery plans, eliminated the payments to landowners for blocked developments and created a scientific advisory board to assist the interior secretary. The proposal failed by a 216-206 vote.

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To: Carry_Okie

I just cross-linked the threads.

Thanks!


21 posted on 09/29/2005 5:37:46 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... "To remain silent when they should protest makes cowards of men." -- THOMAS JEFFERSON)
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To: Southack

I ahte to say this, but I think that it has little chance in the Senate.


22 posted on 09/29/2005 5:40:30 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Good point.

We still aren't drilling in ANWR, huh?


At what point do we finally hit the "Emergency" level and get off our butts and do what needs to be done?

When we are shivering in the dark, our tractors sitting idle in fields due to fuel shortages?


23 posted on 09/29/2005 5:48:11 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... "To remain silent when they should protest makes cowards of men." -- THOMAS JEFFERSON)
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To: NormsRevenge
At what point do we finally hit the "Emergency" level and get off our butts and do what needs to be done?

This is what the 'Rats have been hoping for. For them to regain power, they pray for BAD things to happen to the US and you can bet your last nickel that they will oppose any and all measures to relieve the current high prices of energy so that it will hurt the economy.

24 posted on 09/29/2005 5:52:10 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: NormsRevenge

bttt


25 posted on 09/29/2005 5:54:48 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: NormsRevenge
"You've got to pay when you take away somebody's private property. That is what we have to do," Pombo told House colleagues. "The only way this is going to work is if we bring in property owners to be part of the solution and to be part of recovering those species."

This simple common-sense assertion is a sight to behold in a Congress infamous for irresponsible thinking and ridiculous reasoning.

The Democrat with a stupid statement about seat belts that isn't worth repeating just does not get it. He think he has the power and moral authority to arbitrarily dictate my behavior, especially in regards to my property. Of course you have to compensate me for preventing me from the use of my property, you imbecile! He is an ugly and evil person.

I doubt that this is large handouts in disguise to property owners. The monetary compensation is the reasonable result of emminent domain protection. It provides a significant disincentive to the government for barring me from the use of my land.

This is an attractive model for zoning law reforms.

26 posted on 09/29/2005 6:03:32 PM PDT by v. crow
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To: NormsRevenge
If the "environmentalists" are for it, oppose it. If they're against it, support it.

And never give one penny to an "environmentalist charity".

27 posted on 09/29/2005 6:07:09 PM PDT by Savage Beast (Love is the ultimate aphrodisiac.)
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To: AmericanArchConservative

bttt


28 posted on 09/29/2005 6:08:22 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: NormsRevenge
I'm hoping somebody takes the Florida manatee off the list. The ESL should be reserved for native species. The manatees that live in Florida now are descendants of a food source introduced into Florida when Spained owned Florida.

The are used by leftists in the State to take private property rights without due process.
29 posted on 09/29/2005 6:17:50 PM PDT by Sunnyflorida
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Save Our Species Alliance Congratulates U.S. House on Updating And Modernizing Endangered Species Act

To: National Desk

Contact: Tom Randall of Save Our Species Alliance, 773-857-5086 or trandall@winningreen.com

GOLDEN, Colo., Sept. 29 /U.S. Newswire/ -- With Democrats contributing 36 "yes" votes, the U.S. House passed the first substantive improvements in the Endangered Species Act since it first became law 31 years ago.

The measure, the Threatened and Endangered Species Recovery Act (TESRA) was the culmination of an effort, led by Resources Committee Chairman Richard Pombo (R-CA), and Dennis Cardoza (D- CA) to improve the recovery rate of endangered and threatened species while making the process fairer for landowners.

"During the debate, the entire House of Representatives seemed to agree the ESA is in need of updates and improvements," Pombo said. It's incredible how far we have come.

"What surprised me most today," Pombo added, "was the strong ideological differences about whether or not homeowners should be compensated when their property is taken, as the fifth amendment of the Constitution requires. Upholding this right and partnering with the landowner is the only way we are going to improve the ESA's failing result for recovery. This legislation does just that."

Pombo noted that during the life of the 31-year-old Act just 10 of approximately 1300species listed as threatened or endangered have recovered sufficiently to be de-listed.

Major improvements made by TESRA include mandatory requirements for science-based recovery plans when a species is listed as threatened or endangered. It also provides for incentives for voluntary conservation efforts by private property owners and compensation for value lost from restrictions on land use. Some criticized compensating landowners as being too costly but the Congressional Budget Office predicted those costs would be quite modest.

http://www.usnewswire.com/

30 posted on 09/29/2005 6:25:29 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... "To remain silent when they should protest makes cowards of men." -- THOMAS JEFFERSON)
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To: NormsRevenge
ECO-PING
31 posted on 09/29/2005 6:49:07 PM PDT by GreenFreeper (FM me to be added to the Eco-Ping List)
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To: blam; calcowgirl; Carry_Okie; ClearCase_guy; cogitator; CollegeRepublican; ...

ooops forgot the list...


32 posted on 09/29/2005 6:49:31 PM PDT by GreenFreeper (FM me to be added to the Eco-Ping List)
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To: NormsRevenge
I have a copy of the bill, but have been so busy I haven't thoroughly read it. Does it do anything to reverse the SCOTUS interpretation that "habitat modification" that could impair a vital function of the species - such as feeding, reproducing, sheltering - constituted a prohibited "take" under the Act - requiring an incidental take permit. The damned ITP and Habitat Conservation Plan was where the feds exhorted life and limb from the applicant in perpetuity.
33 posted on 09/29/2005 7:16:55 PM PDT by marsh2
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To: NormsRevenge

A re-write is overdue. Let's hope it's a good one.


34 posted on 09/29/2005 7:17:22 PM PDT by newzjunkey (CA: Stop union theft for political agendas with YES on Prop 75!)
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To: NormsRevenge

Some news stories on abuses by environemnetalists:

http://www.neoperspectives.com/environment.htm


'Ranchers revenge' and the jumping mouse one (it didn't exist!) are good.



35 posted on 09/29/2005 7:25:19 PM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/secondaryproblemsofsocialism.htm)
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To: marsh2

Was it Siskiyou county where the lady went to jail for feeding deer or some critter?


36 posted on 09/29/2005 7:32:42 PM PDT by tubebender (Humboldt County...Where the men are men and so are the women)
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To: alloysteel
There has been a sea change in Washington, and the strong undercurrents are running the other way....

We shall see . . . this is the same gang that couldn't even muster the courage to take PBS off the taxpayer tit, much less the Sierra Club.

37 posted on 09/29/2005 7:36:50 PM PDT by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: marsh2
I have a copy of the bill, but have been so busy I haven't thoroughly read it. Does it do anything to reverse the SCOTUS interpretation that "habitat modification" that could impair a vital function of the species - such as feeding, reproducing, sheltering - constituted a prohibited "take" under the Act - requiring an incidental take permit. The damned ITP and Habitat Conservation Plan was where the feds exhorted life and limb from the applicant in perpetuity.

It was the definition of "take" that exceeded both our treaty obligations and the Congress' legitimate Constitutional authority, all protestations of the SCOTUS to the contrary.

38 posted on 09/29/2005 7:41:57 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Senate won't even look at it until next year and this version doesn't have a prayer.

Amazingly, Democrats actually approved eliminating critical habitat in another House version.


39 posted on 09/29/2005 7:49:28 PM PDT by Gone GF
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To: alloysteel
We may yet drill for oil in Alaska. There is already renewed interest in tapping into resources all along our continental shelf.

We paid good money for Alaska. The least we should do is get our moneys worth.

40 posted on 09/29/2005 8:47:18 PM PDT by EGPWS
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