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Europe Died in Auschwitz
Isreal Insider ^ | Sept. 23, 2005 | Sebastian Villar Rodriguez

Posted on 09/26/2005 7:50:14 PM PDT by Kimmers

Europe Died in Auschwitz By Sebastian Villar Rodriguez September 23, 2005

I was walking along Raval (in Barcelona) when all of a sudden I understood that Europe died with Auschwitz. We assassinated 6 million Jews in order to end up bringing in 20 million Muslims!

We burnt in Auschwitz the culture, intelligence and power to create.

We burnt the people of the world, the one who is proclaimed the chosen people of God.

Because it is the people who gave to humanity the epic figures who were capable of changing history (Christ, Marx, Einstein, Freud...) and who represent the origin of progress and wellbeing.

We must admit that Europe, by relaxing its borders and giving in under the pretext of tolerance to the values of a fallacious cultural relativism, opened its doors to 20 million Muslims, often illiterates and fanatics that we could meet, at best, in places such as Raval, the poorest of the nations and of the ghettos, and who are preparing the worst, such as the 9/11 and the Madrid bombing and who are lodged in apartment blocs provided by the social welfare.

We also have exchanged culture with fanaticism, the capacity to create with the will to destroy, the wisdom with the superstition. We have exchanged the transcendental instinct of the Jews, who even under the worst possible conditions have always looked for a better, peaceful world, for the suicide bomber.

We have exchanged the pride of life for the fanatic obsession of death. Our death and that of our children.

What a grave mistake we made!


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To: SirJohnBarleycorn

I know that you were not being dense, based on the simple but hearty content of your original post.

Once again, your post is thought provocking.

Thank you, I like your thoughts.
























41 posted on 09/27/2005 6:05:32 AM PDT by Kimmers (Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys.)
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To: Red6
American's Latino immigration has resulted in a population that correlates to the tens of millions of American aborted babies. Darwin's survival of the fittest has justified Nazi and American genocide .
42 posted on 09/27/2005 6:08:18 AM PDT by Broker (Semper Fi)
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To: AppyPappy; ninenot; sittnick; steve50; Hegemony Cricket; Willie Green; Wolfie; ex-snook; FITZ; ...
Everyone was pretty sure what the Nazis were going to do.

Not really. Before 1939 Hitler was admired everywhere (including USA - he was made the Man of the Year by the Time Magazine TWICE!) as a great leaders who saved his nation from Great Depression and from humilation.

The problem is that people who want to avoid the fate of Chamberlain invent the "second Hitlers" like Milosevic and help really bad guys (like Islamists invading Balkans).

The next Hitler will come the most unexpected direction. The history does not follow predicable Hollywood scripts and Hollywood movies are the main source of popular historical insight. Few people read Aristotle or Machiavelli, almost nobody reads Thucydides or Simone Weil.

43 posted on 09/27/2005 6:18:47 AM PDT by A. Pole (For today's Democrats abortion and "gay marriage" are more important that the whole New Deal legacy.)
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To: Kimmers

Yes, it is rather reminisent of the 4th Century except that instead of fighting to the last like the Romans, this time Europe opened the gates and welcomed the Barbarians with open arms. The result will be the same.


44 posted on 09/27/2005 6:20:50 AM PDT by joebuck
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To: A. Pole

In the 30's, everyone knew the Germans were going to attack at some point. Even Mussolini asked for more time to build his military. Jews were leaving Germany en masse with tales of repression.


45 posted on 09/27/2005 6:21:32 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn

Blasphemy.


47 posted on 09/27/2005 6:26:11 AM PDT by Tolkien (Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.)
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To: AppyPappy
In the 30's, everyone knew the Germans were going to attack at some point.

In Hollywood movies, yes. Not in the REAL world. Even in Poland which was close to Germany, knew Germans and feared them those who were warning against Hitler were often dismissed as cranks (my father likes to say that when his was a boy in 1930's he was telling to his parents and relatives "Hitler will attack out country and will kill us all" and they were making fun of him)

I am telling you again, the Hollywood movies show the FAKE history.

48 posted on 09/27/2005 6:27:05 AM PDT by A. Pole (For today's Democrats abortion and "gay marriage" are more important that the whole New Deal legacy.)
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To: Alberta's Child
if Mexico were an Islamic state, our immigration policy would be no different

Well, it is different for Islamic countries (visa permits etc.) You may mean enforcment policy. Again, different from the story.

49 posted on 09/27/2005 6:52:32 AM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: Amos the Prophet

There was some famous American who was either part of or used by the anti-semitic National Socialists ... I think it was Lindberg, but I'm not sure.


50 posted on 09/27/2005 7:03:53 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: Broker

Expound please.

Red6


51 posted on 09/27/2005 7:13:40 AM PDT by Red6
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To: Amos the Prophet
Speak for yourself Sebastian. 'We' did nothing of the sort. Fanatical socialists of the 3rd Reich did the deed, convinced that their State had been given the power to kill by majority will.

The socialist authoritarians killed those they had no use for. They believe most individuals are interchangeable pawns of the State.

The national socialist's thought themselves to be superior people..
-- The socialistic idea that some men have special abilities, that they have the 'culture, intelligence and power' to create rules for the rest of us, this idea is at the heart of the madness of Auschwitz, and of that in Mecca.

Amos the Prophet wrote:
Your do not understand the history of the period. Hitler's genocide was well known and clearly understood from the mid 30s by every Western leader. We - the Allies - chose to do nothing. The US did nothing. It was not our problem.

Hindsight is always perfect. Both history & our Constitution told us at the time that it was truly "not our problem" to interfere in the politics of national socialists. -- Or of the communists, who were actually practicing genocide in the 20's & 30's.

There was rampant hatred of the Jews throughout Europe and the US. There was no concerted effort on the part of any nation to undermine the genocide.

Nazi genocide did not start till well after '39, according to the history of the period that I've read. How could we make a 'concerted effort to undermine it' before declaring war?

WE are responsible just as surely as we are responsible for slavery in our country's history.

Speak for yourself Amos. -- We the people of the USA are bound by our Constitution, in which we abolished slavery, but wherein we have not yet assumed responsibility for policing the world.. -- And I doubt we could, even if asked.

The US and much of Europe have sought to overcome their failure to come to the rescue of the Jews by supporting Israel. Similarly we have sought to overcome the degradation of slavery. We have not, however, even begun to understand the culture of death we continue to celebrate. That is the profound message of the writer.

We in the US, when we follow the constitution, celebrate a culture of freedom, not death.
I can agree that many of our constitutional principles are not being followed. -- Can you?

52 posted on 09/27/2005 7:16:44 AM PDT by faireturn
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To: Steely Tom

That is disgusting..........point well taken


53 posted on 09/27/2005 7:17:48 AM PDT by Loud Mime (thotline.com)
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To: Alberta's Child

The "large scale head examination" has to start with the voters and they do not respond well to such exams. Example: how many voted for Kerry and how many for Bush, both of whom appear to be for illegal immigration? As for abortion, only the RATs are for it. This gives the Pubbies a large ethical and moral edge, but abortion continues unabated. We are on the down slopes of the Republic with an avalanche roaring just behind us. Who or what will save us?


54 posted on 09/27/2005 7:19:35 AM PDT by Paulus Invictus
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To: Amos the Prophet
Look, I am not being dense here; I fully understand the author's point.

The use of "we" can be an effective rhetorical device to underline an argument, and no doubt I've slipped into that a time or two.
But we need to be careful, because this kind of fuzzy thinking is just one step short of liberalism (such as the group guilt concept of "social justice" and other oxymorons) or worse.
33 SirJohnBarleycorn







I agree that it is not helpful to extrapolate from the general to the specific.
I certainly feel no guilt for Auschwitz or for slavery and I stand foresquare against Muslim fanatics. Our society, however, has been late to all of these parties.

By society I do not mean government.

As a society we remain guilty of the fuzzy thinking that tolerates a culture of death.

40 Amos the Prophet






I agree with John, as I too understood the authors point, and made my own regarding his liberal/socialistic style of writing.


You claim that:

" -- As a society we remain guilty of the fuzzy thinking that tolerates a culture of death. -- "

Yet you " -- agree that it is not helpful to extrapolate from the general to the specific. -- "

I find a dichotomy in those two thoughts.. Can you explain?
55 posted on 09/27/2005 7:42:54 AM PDT by faireturn
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To: A. Pole
Thanks for ping.

Auschwitz, Dachau, et al indeed magnified the thought of death as a 'final solution' as policy. But was Auschwitz the end of the beginning or the beginning of the end?

Check the Communist killings in Russia, China, Cambodia and the advocacy of sides in today's Near East. Not to mention abortion, euthanasia as problem solvers. The last Pope has written on 'The Culture of Death'. Pervasive.

Death as a solution is not dead.

56 posted on 09/27/2005 7:52:21 AM PDT by ex-snook (Vote gridlock for the most conservative government)
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To: Paulus Invictus
As for abortion, only the RATs are for it.

This is absolutely false. There are many Republicans who are openly and unabashedly pro-abortion. In fact, before Roe v. Wade, abortion was first legalized at the state level under the influence of Republican governors -- Nelson Rockefeller in New York, and Ronald Reagan (yes, Ronald Reagan) in California.

The GOP is only considered a "pro-life" party today because it is now dominant in parts of the country that used to elect conservative Democrats.

57 posted on 09/27/2005 8:08:02 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (I ain't got a dime, but what I got is mine. I ain't rich, but Lord I'm free.)
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To: faireturn
You claim that: " -- As a society we remain guilty of the fuzzy thinking that tolerates a culture of death. -- " Yet you " -- agree that it is not helpful to extrapolate from the general to the specific. -- " I find a dichotomy in those two thoughts.. Can you explain?

I am not sure I understand your concern. I was referring to John's concern that we guilt trip ourselves individually by acceding to general complaints. In a politicized society such as our it is always the case that there are dominant themes - such as political correctness - that are anathema to some individuals. I may personally disagree with some politically correct attitude such as open borders which the society at large tolerates and even encourages.

I believe there is a meaningful distinction to be made between the WE of cultural character and the ME of individual character. They are not each the same in all times and places.

I referred directly to the writer's admonition that WE are engaged in a culture of death. In that abortion and STDs are dominant themes in the life of this culture, I would maintain that this culture is thereby engaged in activities that promote innocent and needless death. Society tolerates these behaviors. It does not stop them.

I am not sure where we are going with this. What do you believe is the salient issue between the WE and the ME?

58 posted on 09/27/2005 8:43:59 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (THIS IS WAR AND I MEAN TO WIN IT.)
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To: Paulus Invictus

Yep, I have to agree with you. There will at some point have to be adjustments, the question is who will do the adjustments.


59 posted on 09/27/2005 8:51:36 AM PDT by alarm rider (Irritating leftists as often as is humanly possible....)
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To: Kimmers

It was earlier than that. All that was noble in the spirit of Europe was thrown into the buzz saw in WWI. The grip of Communism and Fascism were a direct result.


60 posted on 09/27/2005 8:56:05 AM PDT by LexBaird (tyrannosaurus Lex, unapologetic carnivore)
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