Posted on 09/10/2005 11:46:13 AM PDT by pcottraux
You know 'em, you love 'em. Just about all of us have clashed with 'em at times. What's more, it's fun to bust and get rid of them, and that helps make FR even more exciting.
But why do they do it? Why do liberals--and they're usually far-left ones--come here and put on phony screen names so they can "infiltrate" this right-wing forum? They seem to have a tendency to make outrageous statements that get them busted the same day they join. What are they trying to accomplish?
Just yesterday, after one of them made an obvious statement, I caught onto him. He started making insane left-wing rants, before I reported him, and he vanished. It was fun to imagine the little wuss screaming in pain as he was busted and yanked. After he was gone, and all his comments replaced by “Comment Removed” messages, I made a statement on the stupidity of these people, blowing their own cover right after they join. What kind of espionage is that?
But then, ANOTHER one came in, and had this to say before he, too, was yanked:
“Yeah, those trolls are seriously brain dead. They are so caught up in that so-called ‘freedom of speech thing’ that they don't know how to watch what they say when talking to us Republicans that are able to remove their thoughts when we disagree with them. Gosh, they are so silly!”
Fortunately, this troll is also no longer with us, at least not under the same screen name. But upon reading his statement here, a realization comes. THAT’S IT! This comment helps get to the heart of the DU trolls’ mindset, and exactly what it is they’re doing—or trying to do. Hopefully, some of them here will read this, and realize how futile their efforts are.
Basically, DU trolls like the one who made the above statement are classic examples of people suffering what I call LNM, or Liberal Narcissistic Martyrdom. This is a common mental ailment of left-wingers. In essence, it involves a self-image of being a “heroic rebel against the system” who “dares to stand up for what they believe in.” In an egotistical way, they envision themselves as “underdogs” who are in a perpetual state of “standing up to fight the corporate system.” They are ALWAYS standing up against this system, or some proverbial system.
Michael Moore, or at least the public image he makes of himself, is a classic example of this. Actually, one of the best examples I can think of is famed hippy doctor Patch Adams. His movie about himself, starring Robin Williams, is a complete show of just what an egotistical blowhard a liberal can be when he envisions himself “standing up to fight the system” at all times, under all circumstances. I assume that “Patch Adams” is a favorite movie among sufferers of LNM, because it is exactly how they fantasize their own lives being.
Look at the statement the DU troll made. “Yeah, those trolls are seriously brain dead. They are so caught up in that so-called ‘freedom of speech thing’…” Here, he/she/it is showing the biggest symptom of LNM…the conviction that one’s freedom of speech is being taken away, when it is not. Liberals are caught up in their first amendment rights—they’re not caught up in any other constitutional rights, like the right to bear arms, but they love that first one. And many of them, especially those with LNM, are convinced that that sacred right is going to be taken away from them when “America descends into a dictatorship.” They think Bush is Hitler, and those of us on FR are Nazis. Therefore, they think a totalitarian government is going to steal their first amendment rights. Never mind that as left-wingers, they are campaigning for more power to the government, anyway.
And that, my friends, is why these people come here under various guises. They WANT their freedom of speech taken. It gives them a Martyr Ego Boost. They crave it. So they come here, put in a phony screen name, and start spouting left-wing doctrines. As this clown sarcastically put it: “they don't know how to watch what they say when talking to us Republicans that are able to remove their thoughts when we disagree with them.” See what I mean? They seek PROOF that they’re losing their free speech, so when they get yanked from this site, it makes them feel like righteous martyrs. They get the Martyr Rush. It’s almost like drug addiction.
They’ve lived comfortably in America their whole lives, considering their dissent to show how righteous they are, and any criticism of that dissent is seen as “freedom being lost.”
The problem is that FreeRepublic.com is not a debate forum, at least not for right vs. left. There are other web forums for that. FR is a right-wing/grassroots conservatism forum. If we let one liberal stay here and debate us, then we have to let them all. Then, this is no longer a right-wing forum. So their thesis that “Republicans and Conservatives are eliminating people who disagree with them” is pretty much a dead point.
Of course, these wienies don’t know the meaning of losing free speech. They’ve never lived under a communist regime before. They should go over to North Korea and live under Kim Jong Il’s iron grip awhile. When their hands are cut off for speaking out against the government, or their tongues gouged out, or they’re skinned alive…then they’ll know what it REALLY means to lose freedom. I’ll bet the typical sufferer of LNM couldn’t stand five minutes of what Saddam Hussein’s victims had to endure. They’d come running back to the American Bush “dictatorship,” crying like babies, for sure.
Calling us Nazi's is what ticks me off the most. Don't they know that Hitler hated capitalism?
Don't they know that NAZI was a German acronym that stood for : National Socialist German Workers Party??
They have more in common with NAZIism than we ever would.
There are many young people who have joined this forum; people who know why they are here, but maybe cannot yet adequately describe in words the Conservative ideals.
Exactly. When I was in high school, I didn't care much about politics, but I knew what I believed in, I just wasn't sure what to call it. And to #35, it's difficult to think rationally when you're a DUer.
You're absolutely right.
The reason I think that they call us Nazis is because the "Nazi" is the quintessential image of a cartoonish bad guy. In other words, their view of a Nazi is someone with a scar and a uniform and a German accent, which is kind of how they envision us, since they think we're the bad guys now. Again, they don't know the real meaning of evil, and what the Nazis were REALLY about.
Did Hillary Clinton really say that? That's chilling.
I find it interesting to read and compare discussions here with what passes for a discussion at DU. I find it most telling that when facts emerge that contradict their anti-Bush take on the world the discussion is dropped. I don't know if moderators are pulling it altogether or if people just stop posting and it evaporates into cyberspace. For instance--the FEMA people who were blocking Red Cross and other relief from delivering goods to those people in the Superdome as early as Monday. When it emerged that this was a state FEMA agent acting at the behest of the governor, suddenly the disussion just went away like it had never existed. But when the media was touting it like it was federal FEMA doing the blocking the discussion was on fire.
I don't think FR is like that. I see discussions continue, such as the one about Michael Brown, regardless of what direction the events take.
Come on now...admit it.
Don't you enjoy watching them clenching their little fists in rage or delight in hearing them sobbing into their aprons?
You don't get any ya-yas from watching their adorable bargain-basement hystrionic foot-stamping?
Not even just a *little* bit?.....;)
Many others, as well as I, are relative newbies to the FR site, but what attracted us most was the quality of thought which characterize this site. If we routinely ban all dissenting opinion, then we need to form a junta to establish "approved right wing thought". I can't believe anyone wants that. After all, we can pass by the posts we find less valuable.
What establishes FR as a right-wing site, in my view, is that the left-wingers jump onto the wrong side of literally every issue, and their tunnel-visioned wrong-headedness, as well as their eagerness to throw anyone off the wagon to the wolves as long as the wolves promise not to hurt them, does a signal job of showing where each poster stands.
That's not to say that the disrupters shouldn't be taken down immediately; but we will lose quality, and thereby credibility, if we forbid any who argue the other side. Far better I think, to welcome their arguments, made with reason and logic only, since that filters out 99.93% of them, and then opening the arena floor to those who demolish their arguments.
That will keep FR as a training ground for those who are turning away from the left, but just don't have the arguments yet to refute their leftist friends. We have plenty of right-only/left-only blogs around, but only FR seems to be earning the reputation as the thinker's forum.
I sincerely hope I'm not wrong.
Nice post, but why the use of the terms "right-wing" in addition to "conservative?" In my moderately short tenure here I consider FR to be "conservative" but not necessarily "right-wing." Please explain.
Tagline...
There are people here who are right-of-center/libertarian, or not entirely conservative. I tend to think that the right is actually much more diverse than the left.
But I could be wrong.
I voted for Bush, but...
You mean like the little quotes that follow the person's screenname?
I haven't figured out how to do that yet.
With all due respect, I question this conclusion. Oh, this is not to say that no DUer ever shows up here to do what you describe. But I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of them -- with the percentage increasing as the age of the DUer goes down -- do these things:
-- 1) For the same reason we find ourselves almost involuntarily touching a sore tooth with our tongue;or,
-- 2) In the same spirit as a schoolboy, traveling in a moving bus, shouts obscenities at passerbys.
Well, I meant read MY tagline :-).
I think you can change it when you post...let me see...
Well, I meant read MY tagline, which has been:
Free Speech is a Right. Being Wrong is just...Wrong.
I think you can change it whenever you post a comment. Let me try...
I did read it. Nice tagline.
How'd you do that? I'm just dying for my own.
And now I'm back to normal.
This hurricane has brought out the loonies.
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