Posted on 09/07/2005 3:35:54 PM PDT by NickatNite2003
Just heard on FOX that Blanco refused to allow supplies to be brought to the stadium, "Because they wanted all those people to leave, and they didn't want to create a magnet to bring others there, by bringing in food and water!"""
IMO, the full truth about this is going to come forward real soon. And President Bush is going to be the hero, and Blanco/Nagin and the National/LA Democrats are going to be the goats.
As you said, "This is a BLUE DRESS MOMENT."
I just heard a brief something about this today but I didn't get the whole story -- the moment I heard that it was a BARGE that broke the levee I was in shock -- how could 'they' (anybody) possibly allow any kind of barges anywhere near the levees with a Cat. 4/5 hurricane coming? WHO was responsible for that cataclysmic fiasco?
According to the accounts I have seen, no one has said that a barge broke the levee during the storm. The supposed witness said he saw it after the hurricane had already passed. Remember the timeline - Monday evening the levees were reported to be holding and no breaches were reported.
I posted the following analysis in an earlier discussion. I believe it more acccurately describes what probably occurred.
What I suspect happened was that the barge didn't "smash" through the levee - it was "pulled" through. Whoever witnessed it did not really understand the science of what they were seeing.
Even a huge barge does not possess the mass to smash through a wall of earth the size of a levee. There is one force, however that can - the slow, relentless pressure of water against a semi-permeable surface.
What happened was that because a great deal of the material used to construct the levees was the most easily available loose delta soil and miscellaneous debris, which will not compact and solidify well, as the water pressure increased water began to actually penetrate and seep through the levee walls. As this process accellerated, the seeping water began to, in a very real sense, actually flow through the levee walls. As it did the walls were gradually eroded from within.
What this meant was that an observer viewing the levee from above would be seeing what appeared to be a levee that was "holding", but it would really be washing away below, out of sight. This process would continue until enough material was eroded to allow the visible top of the levee to collapse and then observers could see the water pouring through. In reality, however, the water had been pouring through long before that.
That's what the observer of the barge saw - it didn't smash through, it was drawn by the invisible pull of the water directly to that point on the levee where the unseen flow caused the top of the levee to crumble and collapse.
There is an important lesson in this scenario that needs to be remembered whenever the immediate crisis is over and talk turns to the decision whether to rebuild New Orleans on the present site or relocate it. Because of the nature of the construction of the current levees, they probably would not have held for long even if they had been twice as high.
Some serious study needs to be given as to just what types of levee material and construction would be strong enough, and also whether even good, solidly-built levees would have the necessary sub-statum support to keep them from sagging and cracking as the already-observed area-wide compaction and sinking progresses. The dynamics of this collapse provide strong arguments for the case to relocate the city.
I think that a lot of people, if given a gag order by Blanco, would probably say, "Go ahead and fire me. I don't care."
Yes, and that is what you want, because states know better than the federal government what to do in their state. And most localities have departments as well, to handle local issues.
If a state or locality messes up, the answer is to vote the idiots out of office and put in people who will do better.
They always call for his impeachment. By the way, if the Democrats win control of the House, and I don't think they will, Conyers becomes Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee. And that means impeachment time, boys and girls!
The pattern was set by Governor Huey Long in the late '20s and early '30s and continues all the way through. I don't know who took Carlos Marcellos' place as Mafia Don down there but I am sure someone did.
So you are saying that if they wet their pants, they will just complain that Bush didn't do enough to prevent the flooding and toxic water buildup.....
The article is not factual
Exactly. There is an email address at the bottom of the linked article. Maybe some Freepers sould send and email to the author.
Doesn't surprise me...
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/9/6/222032.shtml?et=y
Louisiana Officials in Flood-Money Scam
Nine months before the Hurricane Katrina disaster, three Louisiana Office of Homeland Security and Emergency Preparedness officials were indicted for obstructing an audit into flood prevention expenditures.
Can you get us a link to this story?
I can't find a trace of it on the web.
WHAT'S THE MATTER WITH HER?
Those people need to be cleared out of that cesspool of disease immediately.
I'm afraid that lots more are going to die.
Errrrm, levees are made with clay.
There's no way that an object as large and heavy as a barge could be drawn towards a levee by a force as insignificant as seepage...., wind forces more likely but winds had died down by the time the levees breached.
At high water levels (I live two blocks from the Mississippi River between Baton Rouge and New Orleans) levees may indeed pass water as I've been witness to such events as water bubbling through at the base at ground level and have actually seen the MR levee topped by the river just 5 miles south in White Castle Louisiana but in no way have I ever seen clay "washed away from the inside"....
TS
Well, there's our answer. I saw the National Guard on-scene commander describing the situation on Sunday night, so I knew they'd had them at some point... appears they had them throughout. The Superdome "no food" phrase has become one of those articles of faith now, that is just assumed to be true even by a number of posters on this site. It's sort of like that "Bush said the threat was imminent" canard re: Iraq. It's been repeated so many times that it's now accepted as true even though it isn't.
Basically, I think there's considerable confusion between the Dome and the Convention Center. Food and water weren't available at the latter originally because it wasn't planned to be a shelter, and FEMA didn't find out people had gathered there until the media showed up and started showing people complaining. The media, in turn, made the mistake of assuming it was a designated shelter, then basing their stories on that.
There's a lot to be discovered when this is all over, and I suspect that much of the more hyperbolic media reporting will be thoroughly discredited. Not that they'll let any of their audience find out, of course.
I agree with others, that I'd need more convincing but it *is* strange that the MSM seems to "not need Sheehan" anymore....?
Hmmmmm...
TS
Likewise they also don't know that the Lord is coming, like a thief in the night. And that will surprise them too.
At the risk of offending the secular here (but those who are not will understand):
"For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will be the coming of the Son of Man."
-- Matthew 24:38-39
A lesson for New Orleans, which didn't learn, and for mankind in general, which still has time to learn.
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