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The big disconnect on New Orleans
CNN ^ | 9/2/2005

Posted on 09/02/2005 1:57:33 PM PDT by gitmo

The official version; then there's the in-the-trenches version

NEW ORLEANS, Louisiana (CNN) -- Diverging views of a crumbling New Orleans emerged Thursday. The sanitized view came from federal officials at news conferences and television appearances. But the official line was contradicted by grittier, more desperate views from the shelters and the streets.

These conflicting views came within hours, sometimes minutes of each of each other, as reflected in CNN's transcripts. The speakers include Michael Brown, chief of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, Homeland Security Director Michael Chertoff, New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin, evacuee Raymond Cooper, CNN correspondents and others. Here's what they had to say:

Conditions in the Convention Center

FEMA chief Brown: We learned about that (Thursday), so I have directed that we have all available resources to get that convention center to make sure that they have the food and water and medical care that they need. (See video of CNN asking why FEMA is clueless about conditions -- 2:11)

Mayor Nagin: The convention center is unsanitary and unsafe, and we are running out of supplies for the 15,000 to 20,000 people. (Hear Nagin's angry demand for soldiers. 1:04)

CNN Producer Kim Segal: It was chaos. There was nobody there, nobody in charge. And there was nobody giving even water. The children, you should see them, they're all just in tears. There are sick people. We saw... people who are dying in front of you.

Evacuee Raymond Cooper: Sir, you've got about 3,000 people here in this -- in the Convention Center right now. They're hungry. Don't have any food. We were told

(Excerpt) Read more at edition.cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: Louisiana
KEYWORDS: aid; fema; katrina; neworleans
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To: discostu
This is what happens when you declare shelter areas mere hours before the disaster starts and didn't mobilize any national gaurd troops to set them up.

I don't think that's the REAL tragedy here. The state of Louisiana and the city of New Orleans have been warned for 20-30 years that the design of this city would result in exactly the nightmare they are now experiencing. A below-sea-level city surrounded on all sides by levies, sitting in the likely site for Cat-5 storms, is nothing short of a death trap. Regardless of whether those dams hold or not, the city will drown.

These people ignored very real danger for decades, and now they complain because FEMA took a couple of days to get to their town? The failure of the state and the city to respond last millenium is nothing short of criminal.

21 posted on 09/02/2005 2:13:37 PM PDT by gitmo (Thanks, Mel. I needed that.)
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To: hiredhand

Agree with everything in your link. Thanks. I've been thinking it, but of course saying it outloud would be so un-PC.


22 posted on 09/02/2005 2:13:46 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn (Legality does not dictate morality... Lavin)
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To: gitmo

I've been watching a lot of nitpicking whiners who don't seem to understand that the Federal government - or ANY government - just can't respond to a natural disaster of this magnitude instantaneously. And a lot of people seem to think that natural disasters just shouldn't happen to them. Or it one does, then somebody (Joe Taxpayer) ought to be there right way to help them out.

All unrealistic, and all ultimately wrong. All of us are always at the mercy of nature, and this time is no exception. This just might be the biggest natural loss to hit the USA since the San Francisco earthquake and fire of 1906. But let's get real. We don't have an instant reaction force, standing by to go at a moment's notice, to make things right for all. Nor should we. That would be a huge waste of money, time and effort.

We may have lost New Orleans. That would be a real tragedy, no question. But the city was built below sea level by the very people who live there, not by my forebears in South Dakota. We have blizzards, tornados and occasional droughts to deal with. Louisiana has hurricanes. We need to get used to the idea tht nature is powerful, and doesn't care much for Man and his works. We take the blows nature deals us and we move on. I'd like to hear the whining stop. I'd really like Nancy Grace to ease up on the misplaced outrage. Can't she get a flight to Aruba? There must be something she could cover down there.

After all of this, we should be able to recognize the blameless power of nature on the rampage and the heroic efforts of many in the aftermath. But, I'm afraid that once again, it will be all Bush's fault.


23 posted on 09/02/2005 2:13:46 PM PDT by John Valentine
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree

Oh thank you! I was in a hurry and just pasted it in....rather than actually link it. I guess I should have linked it. It's easier for people that way.


24 posted on 09/02/2005 2:14:19 PM PDT by hiredhand (My kitty disappeared. NOT the rifle!)
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To: hugoball

Did you ever try to go and buy a week's worth of water, bread, tuna, and other essentials at a supermarket the weekend before a big hurricane?


25 posted on 09/02/2005 2:14:59 PM PDT by HostileTerritory
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To: gitmo

A simple look at the weather projections from last Friday will demonstrate that the city and state had 60 hours warning of a Cat 3 or higher hurricane hitting NOLA. Once a hurricane gets into open water the projected strike zones are almost never off by more than 40 miles. Once a hurricane breakes into the Gulf, it always intensifies.

I can live with plans that don't work out, but it was criminal not to have plans.


26 posted on 09/02/2005 2:15:10 PM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: rineaux; JimBianchi11

Glad you read it! Everybody should read it! The author just sums it up as well as it can be said.


27 posted on 09/02/2005 2:15:28 PM PDT by hiredhand (My kitty disappeared. NOT the rifle!)
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To: Max Flatow

Heard somone interviewed on FOX today that it's taking the mayor hours to make simple decisions and he's appointed no one to help with each phase - water, evacuation, transport, medical. Said what NO needed days ago was a war room.


28 posted on 09/02/2005 2:16:30 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn (Legality does not dictate morality... Lavin)
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To: discostu
You are confounding what happened with what was planned for.

The Super Dome was only one of several emergency shelters ~ "emergency" ~ an important word.

No one planned for a longterm stay at any of them.

Then the levee system failed due to loads which exceeded its design capacity.

At that point, the "emergency" shelters became "the only" shelters!

According to some witnesses the water came up in 15 seconds. 1 out of 5 of the refugees have NO shoes. I doubt FEMA planned on 20% of the refugees not having shoes. I doubt that any FREEPERS working on an emergency preparedness plan would think to do that either.

29 posted on 09/02/2005 2:17:15 PM PDT by muawiyah (/ hey coach do I gotta' put in that "/sarcasm " thing again?)
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To: HostileTerritory

No. That is because we try to keep 30 days of food at home at all times. Planing ahead doesn't hurt.


30 posted on 09/02/2005 2:18:00 PM PDT by SolarisRocks
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To: PJ-Comix

Yet the mayor had the nerve to say he's been all over the city and Bush just flew over once. Yet I have never seen the mayor at any problem site.


31 posted on 09/02/2005 2:18:54 PM PDT by Williams
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To: discostu

Well, if FEMA is so innocent, let's cut the budget and cut my taxes for them.


32 posted on 09/02/2005 2:19:53 PM PDT by jammer
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To: hiredhand

My pleasure. Thank you for pointing out this excellent article. I e-mailed it to everyone on my list. I'm sure the two or three remaining liberals I still communicate with will be mortified.


33 posted on 09/02/2005 2:20:03 PM PDT by TruthShallSetYouFree (Abortion is to family planning what bankruptcy is to financial planning.)
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To: SolarisRocks
Mormons have 6 months worth. I also have several months worth because I think it's a fine idea. It can carry you over through all sorts of emergencies, as well as periods of unemployment.

In NO, you'd had to store your food above the level of the Mississippi river, though. Otherwise, it'd gotten trashed in the flood.

34 posted on 09/02/2005 2:20:51 PM PDT by muawiyah (/ hey coach do I gotta' put in that "/sarcasm " thing again?)
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To: gitmo

Everywhere has very real threats. Disasters strike, nature is a harsh mistress. The question isn't is there a potential natural disaster there, the question is do the people being paid to know what to do actually know what to do.

What was their response supposed to be? Anything that would have would have cost TRILLIONS of dollars, been soundly ridiculed until this week, never would have gotten the ongoing and repeated budget approval to continue (the ACE says it would have taken 25 years to upgrade those levees to what they needed to be this week, do you really think Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, and the new Bush and ALL of the versions of Congress they dealt with would have approved of the funding). Meanwhile, like it or not, NO is one of the most important ports in our country for every form of trade, no way in hell we were going to abandon the place do to safety concern.

The disaster was predictable but not preventable in the real world we're forced to live in. But the people in charge blew off reacting to it until the last minute (and if Bush hadn't called the governor and mayor to ask why they weren't evacuating there's no reason to believe they would even have reacted in the last minute) and THAT is what made this such a tragedy. Yes NO the real estate has been doomed for over 100 years, but the citizens could have been saved, and would have been saved if anybody in the state and local governments had put down their mint juleps long enough to actually read the FEMA plan they were provided when they took office.


35 posted on 09/02/2005 2:21:09 PM PDT by discostu (When someone tries to kill you, you try to kill them right back)
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To: gitmo
Mayor Nagin: The convention center is unsanitary and unsafe, and we are running out of supplies for the 15,000 to 20,000 people.

He said more than that.

Nagin was quoted in that local radio interview -- replayed on CNN and other networks -- that there had been a proposal to use school buses. "School buses!" he ranted with disdain, "School buses! Where are the Greyhounds? Why isn't every bus company coming here to rescue these people."


36 posted on 09/02/2005 2:21:36 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: discostu
Had they done things the right way (declare evacuation by Friday at the latest . . .

Far be it from me to excuse the ineptitudes of Mayor Nagin et al, but after 200 years dodging dangerous storms I don't think the city was capable of the attitude or aptitude to mobilize either itself or outside parties. By the time the seriousness of the situation became apparent the mayor was barking orders (putting the best construction on things here) at a fleeing, or unlistening, population.

What was the last hurricane to come close? Check it out, and see what kind of emergency measures, if any, came into play. New Orleans gambled. Nature took it's course. Now we can all think about it for a while.

37 posted on 09/02/2005 2:21:59 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: hiredhand

Excellent read. It should have it's own thread, if it doesn't already. And also it would be a great response to this thread, if it hasn't been posted there already:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1475753/posts


38 posted on 09/02/2005 2:22:02 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: hugoball
Second, there was no reason on earth why people couldn't have brought basic supplied for themselves; they acted exactly like a welfare population: credulous, helpless, dim, and incapable of any reasonable self initiative. Not matter what you say, they have a pathetic excuse for their lack of any thinking: 5 gallons of water, bread, and tuna in cans would have taken care of a family for plenty of time before the aid arrived. But it was too complicated to stop by the market or clean out the cupboard. They had days to get ready and didn't.

Days? More like years. Hurricanes are not a new type of disaster and each year there are all kinds of announcements about hurricane preparedness, but some people decide that the difference even $1/mo can make isn't something they are interested in. Well, they aren't interested until all hell breaks loose.

39 posted on 09/02/2005 2:22:24 PM PDT by bobwoodard
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To: gitmo

Just wondering..... how much assistance has CNN given while touring the streets of NOLA?


40 posted on 09/02/2005 2:22:38 PM PDT by NCLaw441
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