Posted on 09/01/2005 12:48:45 PM PDT by Paul Ross
China is preparing for nuclear war with the United States over Taiwan, and a conflict is likely in the near future because of divisions among Beijing's leaders, a Chinese democracy activist says.
Wei Jingsheng, a leading international advocate for political reform in China, said in an interview with The Washington Times that President Bush and other U.S. leaders do not fully understand the chance of a conflict breaking out and must do more to avert it.
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So how do we disagree? I never said the Chinese would nuke us.
I just said that whoever automatically dismisses the threats originating from China is a fool. And I stand by it.
Actually, no. Cruise missiles are cheap. And the warheads are not much more...once a sufficiently large nuclear infrastructure is in place. And the Chinese have that.
Be that as it may, even the leftist anti-war sites admit the Chinese likely have 400 nuclear warheads. I think they are off by a factor of ten. Here is one of them, the Natural Defense Resource Council, with a surprisingly open admission:
"The Chinese have been very effective in keeping secret the details about the size and composition of their nuclear stockpile. Thus there remains uncertainty about the size of the nuclear bomber force, the number of ballistic missiles deployed, and whether or not China has "tactical" nuclear weapons. The above table above represents our best estimate. China is believed to maintain an arsenal of about 400 warheads of two basic categories, including some 250 "strategic" weapons structured in a "triad" of land-based missiles, bombers, and SLBMs. We have listed about 150 "tactical" weapons: low yield bombs for tactical bombardment, artillery shells, atomic demolition munitions, and possibly short- range missiles."
No. That is a hypothetical of your devising. You postulated they wouldn't have security. I didn't. So stop being stupid.
Someone needs to pass the info that we have a gazillion nukes pointed at Beijing.
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Cruise missles yes, but we're talking about ICBM's here.
No, we're not. They are talking about asymmetric attacks, which means not having to slug it out SLBM for SLBM. Weapons delivery via cruise missiles in many ways would be more effective, because they could be more evasive of detection.
"No. That is a hypothetical of your devising. You postulated they wouldn't have security. I didn't. So stop being stupid."
You started the hypotheticals, and then suggested that they were deploying these hypothetical weapons to various and sundry ports around the US.
I merely noted that none of these ports had the sort of security that one observes around nuclear weapon storage sites.
I briefly knew several platoon leaders in Vietnam who had your love for extremely complex plans that relied on the enemy's stupidity. I knew them only briefly because none them survived their first firefight.
As you may know, the Russians refused the Chinese demands that the recent Exercises be held near Taiwan, and the PLA hardly allowed the Russians any close viewing of their forces....It was more like two seperate activities side by side....I heard comment that the Russians will stay out of any Taiwan war....The Russian PEOPLE don't want their forces to attack Taiwan with China....BUT, what I'm saying is that IF there is a surprise attack of Taiwan, the US would stop it conventionally and then IF the hot ones among the PLA sent nuke missles our way we would deliver a similar return package to the point where there caves wouldn't save them....Oh, I figure also that most of us pounding on these keys are sitting in armchairs, but I have never fired a shot in anger.... Anyway, this is the best forum on the net and I hope it continues....
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Sounds confirming of various prophetic sources, to me!
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I agree with you up to the "limited nuclear exchange."
It is ludicrous in the extreme to think that a nation like China WOULDN'T see the effects of taking out a good number of carriers and COULDN'T do it if they said 'damn the cost.' However I consider it likley that ANY nation that unleashes the atomic fire against America will be destroyed utterly by the same means. The reason being: Why would we want to live in a world with a nation that is considers atomic weapons something to be resorted to so easily?
I believe that "limited nuclear exchange" isn't on our list of tolarable things. It was MAD that prevented ANY firing of nukes during the cold war.
I would appreciate everyone who knows any Chinese of any alertness and IQ of any significance at all to ask them the following sort of question.
"Say--do you think China will attack Taiwan and the USA BEFORE or AFTER the Olympics.
I'd love to have our networks polled on that score.
It's still hard for me to discern that. Could well be before as they think they could recover if they attack in 2006.
. . . in time for the Olympics.
On the other hand, some may not want to risk it and wait until after 2008.
MOST Chinese dissidents have IQ's several orders of magnitude greater than SCREAMING DEAN.
And light years greater than his social sensitivities.
At 1.2+ billion,
They are CONFIDENT that they have a LOT more 'rice' to fry and still recover and be on top of not just the USA, but the world.
This is their serious mentality.
China's population etc. is even more spread out, in some respects, than ours. We don't have enough nukes.
PLEASE see the China related predictions on this thread's intro doc:
PROPHETIC EVENTS ON THE HORIZON [27 Proph Christian sources 1940-NOW]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1472056/posts
So, a nuclear war with China would be worth it? Why can't those "remaining allies quailing in terror" rescue them? Why does it always have to be us?
We don't waste perfectly good nukes attacking farmers.
I think you are lacking in understanding of the over all situation and of the Chinese mentalities, goals, dynamics.
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