Chinese Activist Warns of Nuclear War

Washington Times ^ | 9-1-05 | Bill Gertz

[Paul Ross]

China is preparing for nuclear war with the United States over Taiwan, and a conflict is likely in the near future because of divisions among Beijing's leaders, a Chinese democracy activist says.

Wei Jingsheng, a leading international advocate for political reform in China, said in an interview with The Washington Times that President Bush and other U.S. leaders do not fully understand the chance of a conflict breaking out and must do more to avert it.

[Cindy]

http://www.satp.org
http://www.saag.org

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http://www.saag.org/papers16/paper1527.html
Paper no. 1527
02. 09. 2005
"CHINA WARNS UNITED STATES ON EVE OF PRESIDENTIAL VISIT: An Analysis"
by Dr Subhash Kapila

http://www.saag.org/papers16/paper1525.html
Paper no. 1525
16. 07. 2005
"UNITED STATES: VISIT OF CHINA’S PRESIDENT (September 2005) A Perspective Analysis"
by Dr Subhash Kapila

[Cindy]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1476283/posts

"Iran got nuke capable metal from China"
indian express/india defence ^ | reuters

Posted on 09/03/2005 2:56:06 AM PDT by Abbas Razza Khan

[Paul Ross]

We need to work with todays China , not fight them.

Sounds like the same line played by the liberals against Reagan..."we need to 'accomodate' and practice 'detente'." Roooight. Fortunately Reagan REJECTED that.

Your appeasement approach is extremely dangerous and will only embolden and encourage them. Notice how Hu Jintao, coming to the U.S. this week, is already telling the U.S. to stop noticing how warlike and threatening China is becoming....

I don't think those who preach appeasement today will be happy with how things turn out in the future...

You DO know who this man is, don't you? And how he ended up...

[Paul Ross]

We had our chance , long ago.

They said the same thing against Reagan's policy changes.

Reagan taught us that it is never too late to do the right thing! It is never wrong to confront evil, and challenge it.

[Paul Ross]

I can't think of what Excalibur is

You should talk to Alamo-Girl. The details of what the Chinese got along the lines of Excalibur is shrouded in deep secrecy. But I fear the worst. Here is a brief depiction:

Excalibur works. Perhaps at only at 1/10th the earlier forecast individual laser-rod power of 150 TERRAWATTS.

This is still potentially an effective missile defense, but the liberals within the atomic research community (who were by and large committed to appeasement) did everything within their power to sabotage the research and findings.

Here is a modest reference to the program, whose code-name is omitted: EXCALIBUR

Aviation Week & Space Technology did a magnificent multi-year spread on the concept, and operational deployment plans...all of which got shelved by GHWB...not Reagan. The Wikipedia history I linked above got it wrong. Interesting revisionist spin, eh?

The late Edward Teller never gave up on the concept, but was unable to persuade Reagan's successors to do a full-up space test where the issue of the accuracy of the readings in the testing becomes moot. It either works or it doesn't. And the opponents never could give a theoretical basis for their assertions that the mathematical efficiency was as low as they claimed. I believe Edward Teller and Lowell Wood will yet be vindicated. I just pray that it isn't the Chinese with not just their pirated Los Alamos research...but Lawrence Livermore's as well...who do the vindicating...and leave the U.S. in the dust as an out-classed second-rate former superpower.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the ping!

[Paul Ross]

You're welcome. FYI Note Post #185 above as well...

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the ping!

Indeed, Excalibur was an important alternative theory for missile defense which may yet be viable and therefore an opportunity or risk depending on which nation develops it. We cannot presume that other countries have not developed missile defense systems.

The one which has always fascinated me was brilliant pebbles because it could be implemented in near complete secrecy on spy satellites. My hope is that is what happened and we are not actually completely defenseless.

[TheForceOfOne]

Frankly, I don't like the sound of it: the 'Long-dong' missile.

LOL!

Oh no! were going to be screwed if they attack!

[injin]

your view of this issue could get all of us in dear ,beautiful
Hawaii turned into toast , and frankly Taiwan is not at all worth it to me nor the great majority of people who live here , on what would once again become Americas front line....
They just can't bear the fact that they didn't settle with the Chiang kai-Shek crowd long ago. It's their issue , not ours.
I have zero fear or expectation that PRC would then proceed to
threaten anywhere else in the region , they don't want to all die anymore than we don't .

[Cindy]

http://www.wtop.com/index.php?nid=105&sid=563299

"China's Hu Postpones Visit to Washington"
Updated: Saturday, Sep. 3, 2005 - 4:20 PM

By JOE McDONALD
Associated Press Writer

BEIJING (AP) -


ARTICLE SNIPPET: "Hu talked with Bush by phone and the two leaders agreed to postpone a meeting planned for Wednesday "due to the special condition faced with the U.S. government in handling with the serious disaster caused by Hurricane Katrina," the Chinese Foreign Ministry said in a statement.

The White House also said Saturday that Bush had to cancel his meeting with Hu because of the hurricane's aftermath but the two leaders agreed to meet in New York on the sidelines of the U.N. meeting in mid-September.

The Chinese statement didn't say whether Hu also was postponing other parts of his U.S. itinerary that included a speech Thursday at Yale University _ Bush's alma mater.

But officials in the state of Washington said Hu had postponed the majority of his itinerary there, including a two-day stopover in Seattle."

[Paul Ross]

your view of this issue could get all of us in dear ,beautiful Hawaii turned into toast

As if the REST of country is also not at risk? Man, what an incredibly lame, parochial, short-sighted, emotional view of things. Furthermore, you think I have any earnest wish to hazard my fellow citizens, or even at the venal level, my properties in Kauai?

Just Listen to yourself, man, you sound like a demoncrat. Thinking not clearly and rationally, but your "fears" i.e., "how you FEEL."

Further, I note that this is precisely the same campaign of vilification as previously and routinely made by Liberals against every any true conservative, from Goldwater to Reagan. "if you Vote for the Conservative, KA-BOOM! [ Graphic in background of H-Bomb thermal plume...i.e., mushroom cloud. ]

Fortunatley, your fellow foreign policy liberals are no longer in vogue. Thank God! Although not without their faults, and slowness to react to threats, the Bush team shows more adult recognition of the hazards in the world than the previously more-liberal miscreants...perhaps you should listen to them:

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America's understandable preoccupation with terrorism and Iraq may have obscured the gathering threat of China as a formidable adversary.

At an Asian security conference in Singapore, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld last Friday delivered what some have called an unusually blunt critique of China. Rumsfeld noted that Beijing's military spending threatens Asia's delicate security balance. Instead of spending so much on weapons, Rumsfeld said, China should emphasize political freedom and open markets.

"Since no nation threatens China," said Rumsfeld, "one wonders why this growing (military) investment?" The answer is that rather than feeling threatened, China intends to threaten others, especially the United States.

In a brilliant new book by the late Constantine Menges, Ph.D., titled "China: The Gathering Threat," the former special assistant for national security affairs to President Reagan and national intelligence officer at the CIA soberly outlines the threat China already has become and persuasively argues how America can use its economic and moral weapons to stop the world's biggest nation without a shot being fired.

Menges writes that China has defined America as its "main enemy" and can now launch nuclear weapons at the United States that are capable of killing 100 million of us. China's effective espionage operation in the U.S. has managed to steal the designs of nearly all nuclear warheads and other military secrets, he says.

China has threatened to destroy entire American cities if the U.S. helps Taiwan defend itself against a military assault or invasion, Menges writes. China also buys weapons from Russia that are designed to sink U.S. aircraft carriers. It controls more than $200 billion in U.S. debt and sells more than 40 percent of its exports to America, using the profits to strengthen its economy and advanced weapons systems aimed at the U.S.

Until recently, American policy has been to give China access to U.S. markets in hopes that might reduce tensions and hasten democratic reform. It has done no such thing. Menges argues it is time to try another approach.

First, he says, the U.S. must finish development of a reliable missile defense system that can be easily expanded should China, Russia or any nation attempt to overwhelm us by building additional missiles. Menges says the cost of expanding a missile defense system is far less than building new missiles and such cost will be prohibitive to enemy nations once they realize the U.S. can't be successfully attacked.

Without a working missile defense system, he writes, the increased number of warheads and missiles now available and under construction will make the Chinese threat substantial - he estimates by 2008, China will have more than 400 warheads capable of reaching U.S. territory.

Menges believes in "the importance of forthrightly informing the world about U.S. interests and actions. Truth is indeed the best policy." In his view, the United States often fails to respond to allegations by China and Russia that America seeks world domination.

He says we should be telling the world it is China and Russia that are spreading weapons of mass destruction and China's actions "demonstrate that while pursuing active commercial diplomacy to enhance its economic development and mostly avoiding visible conflict, China is also an expansionist, coercive, manipulative dictatorship."

As anyone who has bought anything can attest, the United States is fulfilling one of Lenin's doctrines by purchasing the rope with which the communists plan to hang us. Too many things sold in America are made in China and too many corporations have moved their plants and operations to China, undermining the U.S. domestic economy and helping a nation that seeks to destroy us.

One of many countermeasures recommended by Menges is the expulsion of all companies that function as fronts for the Chinese People's Liberation Army or other military or intelligence-related entities in China, Russia or any other nonallied state. Investigative reporter Kenneth R. Timmerman estimates there are hundreds of such front companies in Southern California alone.

Secretary Rumsfeld's remarks and Menges' book reveal China's commitment to expanding its empire by intimidation and force, and how the U.S. had better take China's seriousness seriously if we are to confront and repel it.

 

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[Bon mots]

Nuclear war?
ummm... okay.
But only if they promise to take out New Orleans.

I've really had enough of that place and the despicable behavior of the locals.

(y'know, I always wanted to go to the 'Big Easy', despite all the crap I heard. It's the only major mainland US city I have not yet visited. After this fiasco, I just wish it would all just wash away into the Gulf. I would rather visit Mephistopheles in hell first.)

[Paul Ross]

Well, that seems a rather drastic opinion. Did you see Shepard Smith's report, where he did a 5 minute tour of the French Quarter? Intact. Un-Looted. Lots of armed guards...

So many people mistakenly assumed that the French Quarter would be innundated, and/or looted. Hasn't happened. We have been given a very mistaken view by the Usual Suspects in the MSM.

Same people who don't want us looking to closely at what an enemy we have in Beijing.

[Paul Ross]

Click for Taipei views. (Worth the wait for the time to load.) Look at this capital. Consider how they threaten nobody.

Does liberty mean nothing to you? Tell us again just how you are totally uncaring about a democracy in the shadow of a totalitarian collossus.

[mdmathis6]

Yes but we are node based in terms of where are key energy facilities and communications structures are...we get hit in the right places we are crippled as a nation, our moral degredation and current national disunity will do the rest for them. The joint war games recently between China and Russia is another worrisome signal as Russia could hit us any where in the Conus whereas China could hit the west coast.

[Paul Ross]

...your view of this issue could get all of us in dear, beautifuyl Hawaii turned into toast.

Perhaps it isn't "My VIEW" that you need to confront...but the reality you are running away from: The evil empire in Beijing.

You need to digest the following:

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The Washington Timeswww.washingtontimes.com

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China stocks nukes as anti-U.S. tactic

By Bill Gertz
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Published July 29, 2005

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China is building up its nuclear forces as part of a secret strategy targeting the United States, according to a former Chinese diplomat.
    China's strategy calls for "proactive defense," and senior Chinese Communist Party leaders think that building nuclear arms is the key to countering U.S. power in Asia and other parts of the world, said Chen Yonglin, a diplomat who defected to Australia two months ago.
    A recent comment by a Chinese general shows that Beijing's leaders are prepared to launch "a pre-emptive attack on the country considered a huge threat to China," Mr. Chen said.
    Chinese Maj. Gen. Zhu Chenghu told reporters two weeks ago that China is prepared to use nuclear weapons against "hundreds" of U.S. cities if a conflict breaks out over Taiwan.
    The former diplomat, who until recently was posted to the Chinese Consulate in Sydney, said the number of Chinese nuclear warheads is a closely guarded secret.
    Asked about a Pentagon report revealing that China has 20 nuclear warheads that can reach almost all of the United States, Mr. Chen said, "We don't know the exact number."
    "Everything about nuclear weapons is held by a very limited number of people," he said. "Even sometime vice ministers may not know because it is strictly controlled by the general staff and central party leaders."
    The Pentagon report to Congress made public last week stated that China is "qualitatively and quantitatively improving its strategic missile force."
    "It is fielding more survivable missiles capable of targeting India, Russia, virtually all of the United States and the Asia-Pacific theater as far south as Australia and New Zealand," the report said.
    China's nuclear weapons are developed and built in secret under the direction of a company Mr. Chen identified as the Nuclear Energy Company. The company builds both civilian nuclear-power stations and warheads for missiles and bombers.
    "It sounds like a nongovernment company, but it is totally top secret," he said.
    Mr. Chen, who is visiting the United States and testified before a House committee last week, said that during internal discussions among Communist Party and government leaders and military commanders, military leaders often have urged going to war against Taiwan, a self-governing island -- also known as the Republic of China -- that broke with the mainland in 1949.
    "I've heard a lot about the results of those meetings, and most of the military forces leaders advocate the use of force the earlier the better to solve the Taiwan issue," Mr. Chen said.
    He said China's long-term strategy toward the United States was outlined by the late communist leader Deng Xiaoping in the phrase "hide our capabilities; bide our time."
    "That means don't draw any attention of the Western world -- and especially the United States, to what China is doing," Mr. Chen said.
    China's leaders fear the current U.S. policy of engagement with China could shift to one of "containing" China, he said.
    "If the policy of the United States changes to containment, there will be no Olympic Games, there will be no business and there will be no peaceful rise," he said.
    



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[Paul Ross]

You need to confront these issues of war and peace in hard-headed manner.

I recommend you Read Herman Kahn's definitive thought piece, "On Thermonuclear War".

If you fear this prospect of nuclear war, (as you should), don't fall victim to the siren songs appeasement...you will only dramatically shorten the odds of this happening:

[Paul Ross]

I have zero fear or expectation that PRC would then proceed to threaten anywhere else in the region , they don't want to all die anymore than we don't .

This "expectation" of yours has already been debunked in the earlier posts of this thread.

To Repeat:

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America's understandable preoccupation with terrorism and Iraq may have obscured the gathering threat of China as a formidable adversary.

At an Asian security conference in Singapore, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld last Friday delivered what some have called an unusually blunt critique of China. Rumsfeld noted that Beijing's military spending threatens Asia's delicate security balance. Instead of spending so much on weapons, Rumsfeld said, China should emphasize political freedom and open markets.

"Since no nation threatens China," said Rumsfeld, "one wonders why this growing (military) investment?" The answer is that rather than feeling threatened, China intends to threaten others, especially the United States.

In a brilliant new book by the late Constantine Menges, Ph.D., titled "China: The Gathering Threat," the former special assistant for national security affairs to President Reagan and national intelligence officer at the CIA soberly outlines the threat China already has become and persuasively argues how America can use its economic and moral weapons to stop the world's biggest nation without a shot being fired.

Menges writes that China has defined America as its "main enemy" and can now launch nuclear weapons at the United States that are capable of killing 100 million of us. China's effective espionage operation in the U.S. has managed to steal the designs of nearly all nuclear warheads and other military secrets, he says.

China has threatened to destroy entire American cities if the U.S. helps Taiwan defend itself against a military assault or invasion, Menges writes. China also buys weapons from Russia that are designed to sink U.S. aircraft carriers. It controls more than $200 billion in U.S. debt and sells more than 40 percent of its exports to America, using the profits to strengthen its economy and advanced weapons systems aimed at the U.S.

Until recently, American policy has been to give China access to U.S. markets in hopes that might reduce tensions and hasten democratic reform. It has done no such thing. Menges argues it is time to try another approach.

First, he says, the U.S. must finish development of a reliable missile defense system that can be easily expanded should China, Russia or any nation attempt to overwhelm us by building additional missiles. Menges says the cost of expanding a missile defense system is far less than building new missiles and such cost will be prohibitive to enemy nations once they realize the U.S. can't be successfully attacked.

Without a working missile defense system, he writes, the increased number of warheads and missiles now available and under construction will make the Chinese threat substantial - he estimates by 2008, China will have more than 400 warheads capable of reaching U.S. territory.

Menges believes in "the importance of forthrightly informing the world about U.S. interests and actions. Truth is indeed the best policy." In his view, the United States often fails to respond to allegations by China and Russia that America seeks world domination.

He says we should be telling the world it is China and Russia that are spreading weapons of mass destruction and China's actions "demonstrate that while pursuing active commercial diplomacy to enhance its economic development and mostly avoiding visible conflict, China is also an expansionist, coercive, manipulative dictatorship."

As anyone who has bought anything can attest, the United States is fulfilling one of Lenin's doctrines by purchasing the rope with which the communists plan to hang us. Too many things sold in America are made in China and too many corporations have moved their plants and operations to China, undermining the U.S. domestic economy and helping a nation that seeks to destroy us.

One of many countermeasures recommended by Menges is the expulsion of all companies that function as fronts for the Chinese People's Liberation Army or other military or intelligence-related entities in China, Russia or any other nonallied state. Investigative reporter Kenneth R. Timmerman estimates there are hundreds of such front companies in Southern California alone.

Secretary Rumsfeld's remarks and Menges' book reveal China's commitment to expanding its empire by intimidation and force, and how the U.S. had better take China's seriousness seriously if we are to confront and repel it.

 

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