Katrina Live Thread XII

Various ^ | 31 August 2005 | Various

[NautiNurse]

President Bush: "We are dealing with one of the worst national disasters in our nation's history." Push has appropriated vast federal resources to assist with the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.

78,000 people are currently in shelters. New Orleans evacuation continues. 10,000 additional National Guard troops have been called to service.

Hospitals are running low on supplies, and public health concerns include water borne disease, poor sanitation, food and drinking water contamination and shortages, mosquitoes, carbon monixide poisoning from electricity generators, lack of childcare, and the special needs of the elderly.

Links to various news, local and state government websites:

WLOX TV Biloxi, Gulfport, Pascagula has link to locate family and friends (very slow load)

2theAdvocate - Baton Rouge Includes Slidell, St. John Parish, St. Bernard Parish updates, and other locations.

NOLA.com

Inside Houma Today includes shelter and volunteer updates

WLBT.com Jackson MS

WALA Channel 4 Mobile, AL Includes links to distribution centers, Emergency Ops, etc.

Sun-Herald Gulfport MS Includes link to town by town reports

Gulfport News via Topix.net

WAFB Baton Rouge

Mobile Register via al.com

Mississippi updates via Jackson Ledger

Lafayette LA Daily Advertiser

Pensacola News Journal

St Bernard Local Government
Alabama Homeland Security Volunteers can sign up online
Alabama DOT
Alabama.gov
Louisiana Homeland Security
Louisiana State Police road closure info
State of Mississippi Website has traffic alerts, emergency contact numbers

Streaming Video:

WWL-TV: http://www.khou.com/perl/common/video/wmPlayer.pl?title=beloint_khou&props=livenoad

WDSU-TV: http://mfile.akamai.com/12912/live/reflector:38843.asx"

WPMI-TV: http://www.wpmi.com/mediacenter/default.aspx?videoId=113739

WKRG-TV: mms://wmbcast.mgeneral.speedera.net/wmbcast.mgeneral/wmbcast_mgeneral_aug262005_1435_95518

WTOK-TV (follow the link on the home page): http://www.wtok.com/

WJTV-TV: mms://wmbcast.mgeneral.speedera.net/wmbcast.mgeneral/wmbcast_mgeneral_aug262005_1435_95563

Gulf Coast Storm Network (radio): http://www.stormalert.net/main.html#

Related FR Threads:

FYI: Hurricane Katrina Freeper SIGN IN Thread

Discussion Thread - Hurricane Katrina - What Went Wrong?!?

Post Hurricane Katrina IMAGES Here

Looting Begins In New Orleans

Martial Law Declared in New Orleans

Due to the number of requests to assist, the following list of some charities is provided.
This is not intended as an endorsement for any of the charities.

www.redcross.org or 1-800 HELP NOW - note: website is slow
Salvation Army - 1-800-SAL-ARMY or Salvation Army currently looking for in-state volunteers - (888)363-2769
Operation Blessing: (800) 436-6348.
America's Second Harvest: (800) 344-8070.
Catholic Charities USA: (800) 919-9338, or www.catholiccharitiesusa.org.
Christian Reformed World Relief Committee: (800) 848-5818.
Church World Service: (800) 297-1516 or online at www.churchworldservice. org.
Lutheran Disaster Response: (800) 638-3522.
Nazarene Disaster Response: (888) 256-5886.
Presbyterian Disaster Assistance: (800) 872-3283.
Wal-Mart Stores Inc. is accepting donations at its 3,800 stores and Web site, www.walmart.com.

Previous Threads:

Katrina Live Thread, Part XI
Katrina Live Thread, Part X
Katrina Live Thread, Part IX
Hurricane Katrina Live Thread, Part VIII
Hurricane Katrina Live Thread, Part VII
Hurricane Katrina Live Thread, Part VI
Hurricane Katrina Live Thread, Part V
Hurricane Katrina, Live Thread, Part IV
Hurricane Katrina Live Thread, Part III
Katrina Live Thread, Part II
Hurricane Katrina Live Thread, Part I
Tropical Storm 12

[cgk]

That number scared the bejeezus out of me as well. I have NO IDEA where WWLTV got that #.

[Howlin]

Are you going to Zot him again, or will a time out do?

Do you have the URL for Cyber Divorce?

[Arizona Carolyn]

Did I hear it wrong or did they say they are going to be using Drones for survelance to see into every corner of the city tonight????

[markman46]

hey great glad you are safe

[Tiger Smack]

This is the 2nd time i've seen the Convention Center footage, and I understand that this is a disaster, but does it seem that the group used to handouts, is demanding to know where their handouts are

yes, they are almost all poor and on welfare and whatnot but at the same time their houses are underwater and they probably havent eaten in the past few days.

Now.... wouldnt you be a bit frustrated?

[Howlin]

It was definitely Wolf.

[NautiNurse]

Do you have the URL for Cyber Divorce?

Isn't there a link to it from the cyber wedding site?

[tcrlaf]

**Now.... wouldnt you be a bit frustrated?**

Of course...

But then, I would be PROACTIVE, and get myself and my family OUT, even if we had to walk...

[Ovation_girl]

FEMA was put in place early because many lessons were learned from Clinton's failure in Andrew, and I do commend Bush for that. In every storm, there will be people who will not leave till the bitter end, unless you go in and physically escort each one out of their homes, and being in a potential disaster zone NO officials should have had more set up as to "safe" shelters, with the appropriate supplies. And they are not the only ones. I could go on a while about the failures of Miami government after we were hit by Katrina on Thursday night. And FEMA here is doing nothing and we do have victims of the storm, although nothing like the Gulf has right now. And yes I have as you put it "skin in that game" in friends and family.
I do disagree with Bush visiting New Orleans directly due to the gunfire you mentioned. Better for him to do chopper fly bys of both NO and Miss. and then speak to evacuees at Houston.

[Howlin]

lugsoul, you better bookmark this post because I doubt I'll ever say this to you again:

You're making ENTIRELY too much sense today.

:-)

[Constitution Day]

My best friend from childhood lives in Ponchatoula.
He's been working up in Pennsylvania since before the storm, but was supervising construction at SE Louisiana State in Hammond prior to that.

His wife & kids were fine - evacuated to Opelousas during the storm.
They had no damage to their place in Ponchatoula.

[tcrlaf]

And remember... A LOT of people left the Dome yesterday, and went to the convention center, when they found out they would be LEAVING New Orleans...

[bvw]

A question receives it's answer!

2:40 P.M. - AP Analysis: When is looting okay?

2:37 P.M. - CNN Reports that snipers have fired shots on Charity Hospital in New Orleans.

2:31 P.M. - WASHINGTON (AP) -- With images of looting and reports of gunfire frightening evacuees and rescuers alike in New Orleans, the government says it is sending enough National Guardsmen to keep the peace.

Looting is not okay. Restoration and keeping of civic order is first priority, and that means stopping looters by deadly force if needed, setting no-enter zones, establishing curfews, confiscation of goods and impounding of people -- forcing them to do what tasks and labors that are necessary for order and survival. Only the saving of immediately endangered lives takes precedence.

[Fast5]

Ice Cream Truck Update?

[Howlin]

I am almost positive Wolf Blizter said that......he said it at the end of that segment, after that jerk Cafferty was done.

[Yellow Rose of Texas]

I think those with guns and shooting rescuers in NO are gang members who think they now control the town. They have no way of knowing the town is a toxic waste site.

[SE Mom]

Are you listening to this press conf?

FEMA director is saying EVERYONE needs to take a DEEP breath....

[Pilsner]

Unless the rules get changed very quickly, martial law doesn't mean looters will be shot on sight. Martial Law means military law, not the rule of the gun. Here is an excerpt from the U.S. Army field manual on controling civil disturbances:

FM 19-15 Chapter 7

The use of deadly force can be justified only by extreme necessity. Accordingly, its use is not authorized for the purpose of preventing activities like curfew violations or looting that do not pose a significant risk of death or serious bodily harm. If a mission cannot be accomplished without the use of deadly force, but deadly force is not permitted under the guidelines authorizing its use, the mission must be delayed until sufficient nondeadly force can be brought to bear. The commander reports the situation and seeks instructions from higher authority. The use of deadly force is authorized only when all of the following conditions exist:

Lesser means have been exhausted or are unavailable.

The risk of death or serious bodily harm to innocent people is not significantly increased by its use.

The purpose of its use is one or more of the following: Self-defense to avoid death or serious bodily harm.

Prevention of a crime that involves a substantial risk of death or serious bodily harm, such as setting fire to an inhabited dwelling or sniping, including the defense of other people.

Detention or prevention of the escape of a person who, during detention or while escaping, presents a clear threat of loss of life or serious bodily harm to another person.

Every soldier has the legal right to use reasonably necessary force to defend himself against violent and dangerous personal attack. The limitations described above are not meant to infringe on this right. However, it must be emphasized that a control force member is part of a unit and is subject to a chain of command. As such, he must act in accord with his orders and as a member of a unit. Therefore, unless an attack is directed at him personally and unless his response can be directed specifically at the attacker, his response must be governed by the guidance of his immediate supervisor.

In the United States and its territories, the acts of individual soldiers are subject to civil laws as well as the provisions of the UCMJ. Reckless or malicious use of force may subject soldiers to civil or criminal liability under local law or to administrative or criminal liability under military law. The US Code guarantees any member of the Armed Forces the right to trial before a federal court, rather than a state court, for any charge or claim against him for any act committed while performing his official duties. Acts found to be outside the scope of military authority can result in the loss of this right. In a criminal prosecution, civil courts ordinarily do not convict a subordinate for acts done in good faith while obeying orders from superiors. However, if an act is so obviously illegal that it would be immediately apparent to a reasonable person, obeying the order probably would not be a valid defense.

I can see snipers being shot on sight, but not run of the mill looters.

[Tarheel]

Good to hear you are OK. Given what has happened the lack of AC, while making you miserable, is a small thing. Continue to stay safe.

[conservative in nyc]

Shepard Smith and Phil Keating of FOX News seems to be parking on I-10 by day and driving to other parts of Louisiana when the sun goes down. I think they slept in Thibodaux last night. Steve Harrigan stayed at a producer's wife's friend's apartment in Baton Rouge last night, according to his blog. He might go back there today.

CNN left only a skeleton crew in the city. I think they're staying in the French Quarter, but I'm not sure.

Some of the media have hired armed guards to accompany them while reporting, according to another FR thread.