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Katrina Live Thread XII
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| 31 August 2005
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Posted on 08/31/2005 4:00:15 PM PDT by NautiNurse
President Bush: "We are dealing with one of the worst national disasters in our nation's history." Push has appropriated vast federal resources to assist with the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.
78,000 people are currently in shelters. New Orleans evacuation continues. 10,000 additional National Guard troops have been called to service.
Hospitals are running low on supplies, and public health concerns include water borne disease, poor sanitation, food and drinking water contamination and shortages, mosquitoes, carbon monixide poisoning from electricity generators, lack of childcare, and the special needs of the elderly.
Links to various news, local and state government websites:
WLOX TV Biloxi, Gulfport, Pascagula has link to locate family and friends (very slow load)
2theAdvocate - Baton Rouge Includes Slidell, St. John Parish, St. Bernard Parish updates, and other locations.
NOLA.com
Inside Houma Today includes shelter and volunteer updates
WLBT.com Jackson MS
WALA Channel 4 Mobile, AL Includes links to distribution centers, Emergency Ops, etc.
Sun-Herald Gulfport MS Includes link to town by town reports
Gulfport News via Topix.net
WAFB Baton Rouge
Mobile Register via al.com
Mississippi updates via Jackson Ledger
Lafayette LA Daily Advertiser
Pensacola News Journal
St Bernard Local Government
Alabama Homeland Security Volunteers can sign up online
Alabama DOT
Alabama.gov
Louisiana Homeland Security
Louisiana State Police road closure info
State of Mississippi Website has traffic alerts, emergency contact numbers
Streaming Video:
WWL-TV: http://www.khou.com/perl/common/video/wmPlayer.pl?title=beloint_khou&props=livenoad
WDSU-TV: http://mfile.akamai.com/12912/live/reflector:38843.asx"
WPMI-TV: http://www.wpmi.com/mediacenter/default.aspx?videoId=113739
WKRG-TV: mms://wmbcast.mgeneral.speedera.net/wmbcast.mgeneral/wmbcast_mgeneral_aug262005_1435_95518
WTOK-TV (follow the link on the home page): http://www.wtok.com/
WJTV-TV: mms://wmbcast.mgeneral.speedera.net/wmbcast.mgeneral/wmbcast_mgeneral_aug262005_1435_95563
Gulf Coast Storm Network (radio): http://www.stormalert.net/main.html#
Related FR Threads:
FYI: Hurricane Katrina Freeper SIGN IN Thread
Discussion Thread - Hurricane Katrina - What Went Wrong?!?
Post Hurricane Katrina IMAGES Here
Looting Begins In New Orleans
Martial Law Declared in New Orleans
Due to the number of requests to assist, the following list of some charities is provided.
This is not intended as an endorsement for any of the charities.
www.redcross.org or 1-800 HELP NOW - note: website is slow
Salvation Army - 1-800-SAL-ARMY or Salvation Army currently looking for in-state volunteers - (888)363-2769
Operation Blessing: (800) 436-6348.
America's Second Harvest: (800) 344-8070.
Catholic Charities USA: (800) 919-9338, or www.catholiccharitiesusa.org.
Christian Reformed World Relief Committee: (800) 848-5818.
Church World Service: (800) 297-1516 or online at www.churchworldservice. org.
Lutheran Disaster Response: (800) 638-3522.
Nazarene Disaster Response: (888) 256-5886.
Presbyterian Disaster Assistance: (800) 872-3283.
Wal-Mart Stores Inc. is accepting donations at its 3,800 stores and Web site, www.walmart.com.
Previous Threads:
Katrina Live Thread, Part XI
Katrina Live Thread, Part X
Katrina Live Thread, Part IX
Hurricane Katrina Live Thread, Part VIII
Hurricane Katrina Live Thread, Part VII
Hurricane Katrina Live Thread, Part VI
Hurricane Katrina Live Thread, Part V
Hurricane Katrina, Live Thread, Part IV
Hurricane Katrina Live Thread, Part III
Katrina Live Thread, Part II
Hurricane Katrina Live Thread, Part I
Tropical Storm 12
TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Alabama; US: Louisiana; US: Mississippi
KEYWORDS: hurricane; katrina; tropical
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To: conservativeinferno
Dunno - but I was just thinkin- how is the media eating and sleeping? Planning to get out? Are they stuck? Just curious. They have to be getting help - so how is the help getting in? Coolers full of food, water and fresh changes of clothes allowed with a press badge?
5,501
posted on
09/01/2005 1:44:56 PM PDT
by
RDTF
To: Ellesu
Guess we need to reactivate some of these old Vietnam Vets, they could fly into anything anywhere.
To: Arizona Carolyn
Updates as they come in on Katrina
03:09 PM CDT on Thursday, September 1, 2005
Tom Planchet
3:09 P.M. - (AP): The Bush administration intends to seek more than $10 billion to cover immediate relief needs in the wake of Hurricane Katrina, congressional officials said Thursday, and lawmakers made plans to approve the request by the weekend.
Several officials said $10 billion would cover immediate costs for the Federal Emergency Management Agency, the government's front-line responder in cases of natural disasters. Several hundred million dollars would also be provided to fund the Pentagon's disaster relief efforts, congressional aides said.
3:06 P.M. - (AP): Fights and fires broke out, corpses lay out in the open, and rescue helicopters and law enforcement officers were shot at as flooded-out New Orleans descended into anarchy Thursday. "This is a desperate SOS," the mayor said.
Anger mounted across the ruined city, with thousands of storm victims increasingly hungry, desperate and tired of waiting for buses to take them out.
"We are out here like pure animals. We don't have help," the Rev. Issac Clark, 68, said outside the New Orleans Convention Center, where corpses lay in the open and the and other evacuees complained that they were dropped off and given nothing -- no food, no water, no medicine.
2:48 P.M. - Gov. Blanco: "Thousands" are believed to be dead. And between 200 and 300,000 people still need to be evacuated from the city. 2,400 people are still waiting to be evacuated from the Superdome.
One official said the Army Corps of Engineers are currently driving pilings, dumping sand, into the breaches in the levee. Concrete barriers will go up after the sand is laid down. They will assess the pumps, and it could take as long as one month before the water is completely drained from the city. The Army Corps is being escorted to the levees by State Police.
Blanco said 12,000 National Guard troops from various regions in the nation are being deployed to the area, bringing the total number of troops to 40,000. The Governor added that looters will be dealt with. Blanco said Baton Rouge has its own concerns with refugees, who have reportedly been causing similar trouble in the state capital.
Hospital evacuations are going well. Chalmette and Tulane Hospitals are emptied.
No casualty list reported yet.
2:40 P.M. - AP Analysis: When is looting okay?
2:37 P.M. - CNN Reports that snipers have fired shots on Charity Hospital in New Orleans.
2:31 P.M. - WASHINGTON (AP) -- With images of looting and reports of gunfire frightening evacuees and rescuers alike in New Orleans, the government says it is sending enough National Guardsmen to keep the peace.
Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff says there have been only "isolated incidents of criminality" in New Orleans.
2:25 P.M. - Email to WWL producer today from a friend: Talked to Donny (news photographer Donny Pearce of WVUE) today for a while, he's in Shreveport with his folks, sounds very shaken up, had a horrifying escape from the city apparently, people hanging on his truck begging for help/food/money....saw all the looting,, taped the storm shredding JP Sheriffs headquarters.
2:20 P.M. - Airport spokeswoman Michelle Duffourc: There have been hundreds of helicopter operations over the past 3 days as the helicopter are bringing in people that are being rescued from throughout the region to transfer to civilian and military aircraft to take them to points of safety.
2:14 P.M. - Airport spokeswoman Michelle Duffourc: Armstrong International Airport did become operational on Tuesday, August 30 for humanitarian relief flights and civilian and military rescue efforts. Since opening the airfield, several of our commercial air carriers, including American, Southwest, Northwest, Continental, United, and Delta have all sent in aircraft with relief supplies and have taken out the stranded travelers as well as all others who wanted to depart the Airport. In total over 100 employees, 200 stranded passengers and 400 others were flown out of Armstrong International.
2:13 P.M. - Duffourc: The Airport has been on generator power since Monday, August 29 with the bare power necessities. CA One Services, our Food & Beverage Concessionaire has been providing meals to those stranded in the terminal.
The Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) has set up a triage center in the Airport's West Terminal near the Delta and Continental Ticket Counters and has been treating people that have been evacuated from the Superdome in Downtown New Orleans and other locations.
2:11 P.M. - Blanco: Please stop broadcasting that there is "shooting in the Superdome." She said everyone brought inside was checked for weapons before entering. "There is no shooting inside the Superdome." She says the incorrect reports are upsetting the people inside of the dome who have been very calm.
2:06 P.M. - Corps of Engineers: Lake water continues to go down. Dropped two to two and a half feet in the past two days. Work progressing on plugging break in levee. Sandbags dropped and pilings being driven. Engineer says progress is "looking good."
2:04 P.M. - (AP) Fights and trash fires broke out, rescue helicopters were shot at and anger mounted across New Orleans on Thursday, as National Guardsmen poured in to help restore order across this increasingly desperate and lawless city.
"We are out here like pure animals. We don't have help," the Rev. Issac Clark, 68, said outside the New Orleans Convention Center, where corpses lay in the open and he and other evacuees complained that they were dropped off and given nothing -- no food, no water, no medicine.
Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said the government is sending in 1,400 National Guardsmen to help stop looting and other lawlessnes in New Orleans in the wake of Hurricane Katrina.
1:54 P.M. - Emergency Operations spokesman: Hospitals overwhelmed.
1:53 P.M. - Emergency Operations spokeswoman: 49,800 people in shelters in this state right now. Room for 70,000 more.
1:48 P.M. - Blanco: troopers from Arkansas, Texas and Kentucky coming in to help restore order. Sheriff's deputies from as far away as Michigan.
1:47 P.M. - Blanco: I've requested 40,000 troops.
1:47 P.M. - Governor Blanco: Superdome now under control, evacuations resume.
5,503
posted on
09/01/2005 1:45:31 PM PDT
by
cgk
(We'll have to deal w/ the networks. One way to do that is to drain the swamp they live in - Rumsfeld)
To: conservativeinferno
Shep is saying that but if you looked at the people in the photos while he was talking during his 3 o'clock FoxNews show, they all had bottles of water.
He was also talking about all the people stuck on the overpass, but it appeared most of the people had been moved out.
He's gone into some sort of sensationalism, outrage mode now.
To: Howlin
Let me ask you this: do you consider "You are a complete and utter A$$hole" to be articulate? :-)
LMBO! Use of the word "utter" I'd have to say qualifies as articulate. But, um... somehow I don't think that's going to get on the air. Though I'm sure at least half the audience would agree!
To: Rightly Biased
You've got freepmail..need more info on this ASAP especially the hijacked convoy.
5,506
posted on
09/01/2005 1:45:47 PM PDT
by
WoodstockCat
(Gitmo? Let them eat Pork!)
To: Howlin
Not Wolf Blitzer. Jack Cafferty.
To: MrsCinAZ
Convention Center video coming up on WDSU. What a nightmare.
People hungry, thirsty, baby's crying.. it's friggin awful.
Awful..
To: ken5050
CNN... they think he made a huge blunder and needs to explain things.... I think Hastert is right-on...
To: Dashing Dasher
Thank you for posting that local summary. Very interesting.
5,510
posted on
09/01/2005 1:46:10 PM PDT
by
NautiNurse
("I'd rather see someone go to work for a Republican campaign than sit on their butt."--Howard Dean)
To: BurbankKarl
You are going to tell someone who is arming themselves it is all untrue? I am not suggesting in any way that people should not arm themselves. I am stating Karl, that I was all over Gonzales and it is safe right now. I would rather people know this for a fact, rather than hole up with a shotgun behind the couch for the next few days, not buying milk, when it's available at the regular price.
We need to be vigilant, but not vigilantes. The truth is the truth. I am just trying to get the truth out there. If Gonzales turns into a war zone, I will state that to let people know.
I went to the Jack in the Box, and there was only one car in line, went to the gas station, there was only one car in front of me, went to the doctor's office and it was safe and comfortable. That is reality as of today. That is what I am reporting.
To: All
Thursday, September 01, 2005
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Gunshots, death, frustrationThursday, 3:37 p.m.
By James Varney Staff writer
The stench of death. The shouts of frustration after waiting for rescue crews that havent come. Rampant rumors of riots and armed gangs running amuck. A body being dragged along on a luggage dolly.
Many of those left behind in New Orleans are just dissolving.
Youve got no organization here. Its mass confusion, said Paul Davis, 54, who rode out the storm at the Guste high rise and was brought to the Convention Center by police. Psychologically, everybodys emotions are high. Theres no water. Theres no food. They didnt do nothing to prepare for Katrina.
About 8:30 a.m. Thursday, Kevin Daigle saw a dead body in a wheelchair covered with a sheet.
"I started pushing her to the back,'' said Daigle, who ws crying.
Five New Orleans police cars "raced past me and Im waving and yelling at them to stop to tell me where I can put this lady,''said Daigle, 32, who used to live in the 9th Ward.
Brenda Austin, 52, who lived on Dale Street in eastern New Orleans, said she and her five family members walked from their eastern New Orleans home to the Convention Center. But their journey wasnt without travail. When they stopped on the Interstate 10 high-rise, someone started shooting at them.
We did stay. Thats our fault, but we were told wed be picked up. We dont have information. Theres no food. Theres no water, Austin said as her 18-year-old son Matthew tapped her on her shoulder, imploring. Mom, weve got to get out of here. Weve got to walk across the bridge.
Brenda Austin said that they left home with some food and some water, but now they are down to their last bottle of water.
We were trying to do what we need to do, she said.
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Oakwood mall on fireLooters set fire to Oakwood Shopping Center in Terrytown today.
The fire was reported at 12:56 p.m., and firefighters fought the blaze for more than an hour before giving up, said Bryan Adams of the Terrytown Volunteer Fire Department.
"There's just no water and the fire was out of hand,'' an emotional Adams said, adding that crews had to fight the blaze with one hose and water from a canal. "I've lived in this communitiy all my life --45 years. It's tough.''
Adams said the fire was intentionally set in multiple locations by people who apparently went in to loot the mall. Authorities found a ladder on the side of a building and a vent ripped off the roof allowed suspects to gain access, he said.
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Evacuees dwindling at SuperdomeIn a press conference Thursday, Gov. Kathleen Blanco said that the number of evacuees in the Superdome was down to 2,400 after busloads left for Houston's Astrodome. Evacuations were ongoing Thursday afternoon.
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House Speaker: Rebuilding N.O. doesn't make senseThursday, 2:55 p.m.
By Bill Walsh Washington bureau
WASHINGTON - House Speaker Dennis Hastert dropped a bombshell on flood-ravaged New Orleans on Thursday by suggesting that it isnt sensible to rebuild the city.
"It doesn't make sense to me," Hastert told the Daily Herald in suburban Chicago in editions published today. "And it's a question that certainly we should ask."
Hastert's comments came as Congress cut short its summer recess and raced back to Washington to take up an emergency aid package expected to be $10 billion or more. Details of the legislation are still emerging, but it is expected to target critical items such as buses to evacuate the city, reinforcing existing flood protection and providing food and shelter for a growing population of refugees.
The Illinois Republicans comments drew an immediate rebuke from Louisiana officials.
Thats like saying we should shut down Los Angeles because its built in an earthquake zone, former Sen. John Breaux, D-La., said. Or like saying that after the Great Chicago fire of 1871, the U.S. government should have just abandoned the city.
Hastert said that he supports an emergency bailout, but raised questions about a long-term rebuilding effort. As the most powerful voice in the Republican-controlled House, Hastert is in a position to block any legislation that he opposes.
"We help replace, we help relieve disaster," Hastert said. "But I think federal insurance and everything that goes along with it... we ought to take a second look at that."
The speakers comments were in stark contrast to those delivered by President Bush during an appearance this morning on ABCs Good Morning America.
I want the people of New Orleans to know that after rescuing them and stabilizing the situation, there will be plans in place to help this great city get back on its feet, Bush said. There is no doubt in my mind that New Orleans is going to rise up again as a great city.
Insurance industry executives estimated that claims from the storm could range up to $19 billion. Rebuilding the city, which is more than 80 percent submerged, could cost tens of billions of dollars more, experts projected.
Hastert questioned the wisdom of rebuilding a city below sea level that will continue to be in the path of powerful hurricanes.
"You know we build Los Angeles and San Francisco on top of earthquake issures and they rebuild, too. Stubbornness," he said.
Hastert wasn't the only one questioning the rebuilding of New Orleans. The Waterbury, Conn., Republican-American newspaper wrote an editorial Wednesday entitled, "Is New Orleans worth reclaiming?"
"Americans' hearts go out to the people in Katrina's path," it said. "But if the people of New Orleans and other low-lying areas insist on living in harm's way, they ought to accept responsibility for what happens to them and their property."
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St. Bernard Parish evacuees wait, worryFor storm refugees from St. Bernard Parish, which is less than 10 miles from the French Quarter and reportedly decimated by the floodwaters, there has been little available news.
Theyre not saying anything about St. Bernard, said Violet resident Kimberly Jones, 33, as she and more than 20 relatives prepared to hunker down, maybe for months, in a shelter in Columbus, Ga., 100 miles southwest of Atlanta. Our parish probably no longer exists.
Jones was part of a five-car caravan that ended up in Columbus after a relative told her and other families about available hotel space. Now more than 150 evacuees, mostly from Violet but some from other parts of New Orleans, are huddled in a recreation center-turned shelter scanning the news broadcasts for helicopter aerials or any glimpse of the parish.
But only scant reports about flooding in Chalmette and Arabi have made the news, Jones said. She and her sister, Bolita, ticked off a list of communities below those areas that could be just as bad off: Violet, Poydras, Braithwaite, Buras.
All the people down there, theyre probably dead, Violet resident Lois Aisola, 56, said with a matter of fact tone as her pregnant daughter Trenell, 29, sat next to her with a blank expression.
While others tried to enjoy a hot meal and bands of children chased one another in circles around her, Aisolas sister, Janice Washington, 57, sat on the edge of a pool table looking dazed. Although she and more than 25 of her relatives had escaped, Washington left behind four daughters, a son and 12 grandchildren.
There has been no word from any of them. In a cell phone text message, another family friend said she saw one of Washingtons daughters on television entering the Superdome, a small comfort.
But while the unknown in St. Bernard Parish drives the worries of its refugees in Columbus, it is the little bit that Washington already knows that she says fuels her grief.
In another text message she said was sent by a friend who works for the St. Bernard Parish government, Washington learned that the bodies of her cousin, his girlfriend and their two children, were found drowned in a car just blocks from their Violet home.
They must have been trying to get out, she said.
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Nurses appealThursday, 2:18 p.m.
To help care for thousands of patients with hurricane-related injuries who have been taken to Baton Rouge, an appeal has been issued for nurses and physical, respiratory and occupational therapists from Louisiana State University Health Sciences Center.
People who have worked at LSU-operated hospitals or at the Veterans Affairs Medical Center in New Orleans and want to volunteer in Baton Rouge are asked to call (225) 358-1002.
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Bush to tour region FridayThursday, 2:36 p.m.
President Bush plans to tour the hurricane-ravaged Gulf Coast by air and land Friday to survey the damage and meet with those directly impacted by the storm, the White House announced Thursday.
The president viewed the region from Air Force One Wednesday on his way back to Washington, D.C. from his Texas ranch. He plans to return tomorrow for a day-long, close-up visit to Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama.
Bush plans to start his tour in Mobile, Ala., where he will meet with local officials, fly over the coast by helicopter and visit with those on the ground. He then plans to meet up with Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco in New Orleans, which he will also tour by air and possibly on foot as well, according to White House spokesman Scott McClellan.
He wants to offer some encouragement and comfort and boost the spirits of the people, McClellan said.
On Tuesday, members of Louisianas congressional delegation sent Bush a letter asking that he come to see the damage first-hand.
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School buses used to evacuateBy Ed Anderson Capital bureau BATON ROUGE National Guard troops will be able to seize school buses as needed to evacuate stranded refugees from hard-hit Hurricane Katrinas stricken areas, state officials said Thursday.
National Guard spokesman Lt. Col. Pete Schneider, said the order, signed by Gov. Kathleen Blanco late Wednesday, means we are going to take the buses. We need to get people out of New Orleans.. . . .Either they will give them up or we will take them.
Blancos executive order requires that local school officials in areas that remain substantially operational following the passage of Hurricane Katrina provide the state Office of Homeland Security with an inventory of school, buses and drivers in their areas.
Blancos order said the buses shall be made available . . .for the mass transportation of Hurricane Katrina evacuees, accompanying law enforcement personnel and necessary supplies to and from areas of concern to areas of safety.
Blanco Executive Counsel Terry Ryder said although the order allows the bus-taking for evacuations, the intent is to leave some buses in some areas to transport children to school.
Neither Ryder not Schneider would say how many buses may be needed in the evacuation.
We are hopeful this will not require the disruption of schools.
Schneider said that it is possible a bus from Caddo Parish in northwest Louisiana may be pressed into service in the New Orleans area, Blancos order also requires the school officials to make sure that at least one police officer ride in each bus and at least two more police vehicles accompany every 10 buses. The order also suspends through Sept. 25 the state law, which authorizes free bus transportation for students.
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Federal fundingBy Bill Walsh Washington bureau WASHINGTON -- President Bush agreed Thursday to have the federal government pick up the whole tab for rescue and recovery efforts along the Gulf Coast following Hurricane Katrina. Bushs decision came in response to requests from governors of Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama, who feared that the price tag likely to be in the billions of dollars would overwhelm their state budgets. The president agreed to waive federal rules that shift 25 percent of the post-disaster debris removal and emergency response cost onto state and local government. White House Spokesman Scott McClellan said Thursday that the federal government will pay the whole bill for 60 days retroactive to Mondays storm. This action recognizes the unprecedented scope and impact of this disaster, McClellan said. The day after the hurricane slammed into the Gulf Coast, Louisiana officials wrote to Bush saying the storm was well beyond anything that has happened in our history. They pleaded for financial assistance, saying they didnt have the means to pay. Without your direct intervention, we will not receive this much needed assistance, they wrote. Post-disaster financing rules have been relaxed before. The last time was in 1999 when Hurricane Floyd ravaged parts of the east coast causing $6 billion in damage.
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No increase in B.R. crimeReports of increased crime in Baton Rouge as a result of restless evacuees at local shelters are not backed up by the local police statistics, U.S. Attorney David Dugas said early Thursday afternoon.
While there has been an up-tick in car thefts, the data does not show an overall hike in crime, he said. But local police presence has been increased in the city in order to deter any future crime, while federal law enforcement is also being beefed up, Dugas said.
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5,512
posted on
09/01/2005 1:46:33 PM PDT
by
cgk
(We'll have to deal w/ the networks. One way to do that is to drain the swamp they live in - Rumsfeld)
To: All
Anyone ever watch CNN just to find out what they didn't say? Kind of scares me for those that watch CNN and believe the anchors are actually reporting the news rather than spouting their idealogical bias
To: Rightly Biased
Yikes! NAMB is one of the organizations we've given to, as well as the Sally Army and others. I think it was FOX's Jeff Goldblatt who said the Baptist men were the first on the ground to help immediately after Katrina blew through, as early as Monday afternoon. God bless and protect them as they try to help. Wow.
5,514
posted on
09/01/2005 1:47:12 PM PDT
by
shezza
(God Bless Our Troops)
To: geopyg
Thank you for your concern. I haven't been able to get in touch with anyone directly. All my relatives have since moved out of Louisiana, but there's no word yet from my friends. Interestingly, nearly all of my friends are either in law enforcement or the medical field, so they stayed . . . Even when communications are back up I expect they'll be really busy for some time.
I know that things have changed in Slidell since I lived there, it's grown and become a lot like New Orleans, in the sense of population and crime growth rates.
I haven't heard a thing about Baton Rouge or Hammond, where I went to college.
5,515
posted on
09/01/2005 1:47:37 PM PDT
by
Laurita
("We would not die in that man's company That fears his fellowship to die with us." Henry V, a-4:s-3)
To: hawkaw
Yep, with guns blazing. Shocked the heck out of me and the reporter was speechless.
To: NautiNurse
She responded to someone who said some horrible things about the President's fly-by on AF1 creating a TFR in the area.
The situation is just horrible. No one expected ANYTHING like this.
I'll keep you posted if I hear anything else.
5,517
posted on
09/01/2005 1:47:51 PM PDT
by
Dashing Dasher
(You eat a lot of paint chips when you were a kid?)
To: Admin Moderator
Has anyone suggested that we have a Freepathon for the Katrina victims?
We have quarterly fundraisers...why not one for this?
To: Dashing Dasher
Thanks from that perspective from somewhere there.
To: mhking
before the storm, indicating that there was nowhere safe there. What do you mean? Why aren't they there AFTER the storm?
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