Katrina Live Thread, Part XI

"They are totally clueless as to what is going on outside those walls."

I heard some guy on the news say too that the people inside had no information unless they had a portable radio (to pick up the ONE A.M. station still on the air).

I seem to recalL from some pyschology class or somewhere that the lack of information is a very fearful thing. Just imagine the rumors that can arise with some guy relaying what he heard on the radio to the thousands of people around him. (The health reporter's statement of "luckily with all this stagnant water we don't have malaria in the U.S." becomes "the stagnant water is carrying malaria").

The use of the Superdome (in hindsight) reminds me of that saying "I must be a mushroom - I'm kept in the dark and they feed me S#$@")

And thinking of that, I imagine after a few more days the people will be even less trustworthy of "those in charge".

Goodnight Bucklyfan thanks the support esp knowing whats the situation and how unique it is here

Just like you. That's where you're wrong.

It's good that you "finished up" with more misinformation.

It's going to be ugly toward the end of the week.

The Salvation Army has activated their emergency response radio network. Fill out the form and they will send to disaster area to locate persons for you.

On another note, reading that New york time article for tomorrow relating to how the local papers when they couldnt publish in nola they went to the web is fascinating . I have to say thAT the New Orleans paper did a pretty decent job doing that and kept me informed. It was amazing but cnn just seemed to ignore and stuff that they breathlessly reported as breaking was on there for hours or not reported at all. KInda of neat even in the worse situations how news is evovling.

Look you are dealing with a lawyer there.

The governor AND the mayor said he called them and told them to order the evacuation.

Yes, I agree. I wasn't arguing what happened, I was saying we need to find another article that will satisfy those with questions.

BATON ROUGE, LA. - State police on Tuesday turned back New Orleans residents desperate to learn the fate of the homes they evacuated, as officials began mapping plans to provide semipermanent shelter for thousands of evacuees.

"There will be neighborhoods where people can't get back to their homes for weeks, if not months," Michael Brown, director of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, said in the Louisiana capital.

Officials will assess the housing needs for victims.

"We're going to be working with the state of Louisiana to see what those needs are and how best to meet those needs," said Earl Armstrong, a spokesman for FEMA in Denton, home of the agency's regional office.

Officials said options include tents, mobile homes or financially troubled hotels and apartments.

For the next week, most evacuees will have to rely for housing on friends, family or the American Red Cross.

Hotels in Baton Rouge and as far away as Lafayette are full, and power is out in many parts of southern Louisiana.

The Red Cross reported Tuesday that 31,000 people are in its hurricane shelters in Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi and Texas.

Gov. Rick Perry approved sending doctors, nurses and support personnel from the Texas National Guard to help in Louisiana.

The Southern Baptist Association, in conjunction with FEMA, has sent 25 portable kitchens.

They can feed 500,000 people per day.

And the Salvation Army is sending 72 mobile canteens and two larger feeding units.

Chronicle reporters Janet Elliott in Austin and Terri Langford in Houston contributed to this report.

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NEW ORLEANS - Emergency workers Tuesday night were fighting a pitched battle to save the city of New Orleans as water gushed through a gaping breach in a levee.

The latest development came as city officials desperately grappled with a host of hurricane-related problems, including bodies floating in the streets, looters rampaging through the city's heart, evacuations of thousands of patients from hospitals suffering power failures and fires burning out of control because of lack of water pressure and manpower.

Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco grew tearful Tuesday afternoon as she described the plight of one of America's most historic and culturally unique cities, prostrated before sunrise Monday by Hurricane Katrina's winds.

"The situation is untenable," she said. "It's just heartbreaking."

But then Blanco added: "We will recover. We will survive. But it's going to be gradual."

As Mayor C. Ray Nagin Tuesday night warned that water in parts of Orleans and suburban Jefferson parishes could rise to 15 feet and urged residents to leave, giant concrete barriers were being trucked to the site of a levee break on the city's western edge.

Workers were to labor through the night using helicopters to lower 180 barriers, each weighing 15,000 pounds, into the breach in the levee of the 17th Street canal, which links to Lake Pontchartrain. Fifty 3,000-pound sand bags also were to be dropped into place.

U.S. Sen. David Vitter, R-La., said the latest effort to plug the break, which occurred when Hurricane Katrina blasted into the city, came after earlier attempts to stop the flow with sandbags.

Maj. Gen. Don Riley, civil works director for the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, said the 500-foot breach will remain plugged about 24 hours, long enough for Pontchartrain's level to drop. Then, it will be removed, allowing water from flooded neighborhoods to flow into the canal.

Nagin earlier reported that 80 percent of the city had been flooded, with water as deep as 20 feet in some places. Two other levee breaks were reported in the city's eastern sector. Riley said water already was flowing back into the lake through those breaches.

Pushing away the bodies

As New Orleans grappled with unprecedented disaster, rescue workers continued their search for survivors in the storm-shattered cities on Mississippi's Gulf Coast.

Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour said up to 80 people may have died in Harrison County — home to Gulfport and Biloxi — alone. That death toll includes an estimated 30 people who perished when a storm surge swamped the Quiet Water Beach Apartments in Biloxi.

In New Orleans, a city of 485,000 precariously situated between Lake Pontchartrain and the Mississippi River, Nagin admitted, "We're not even dealing with dead bodies. They're just pushing them on the side."

Authorities continued to pluck residents from attics and rooftops. Since Monday, more than 300 have been rescued.

By late in the day, City Park and much of the Mid City area were flooded. Water outside the Superdome, where roughly 10,000 people had taken shelter, was knee deep. Canal Street, authorities said, was filled with hip-deep water. Students were reported stranded by high water in a dormitory at Xavier University. Water lapped at the edges of the French Quarter, but that section remained essentially dry.

Floodwaters were filled with clusters of red ants, but authorities worried about worse contaminants: sewage and toxic petrochemicals.

Rock 'n' roll star Antoine "Fats" Domino's home was flooded, as was that of City Council President Oliver Thomas.

"I want to wake up tomorrow and think it was a dream, but I know everything's lost," Thomas said.

In New Orleans — which is, on average, 7 feet below sea level — broken levees constitute the most dire crisis. The city operates 20 to 30 pumps that shunt rainwater into Lake Pontchartrain. But many of the pumps now are inoperable.

Brian Buckel, New Orleans District construction engineer with the Louisiana Department of Transportation and Development, suggested that if the holes in the levees are filled, engineers might punch holes in other levees to allow water in the city to escape.

After most of the water had drained, Buckel said, pumps could remove the rest. That might take as long as a month.

Mike Brown, director of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, noted that thousands of New Orleanians who left after a mandatory evacuation order Sunday may need temporary housing for months. More than 700,000 people were left without electricity in the New Orleans area, Entergy officials reported.

Blanco said Hurricane Katrina reduced the Interstate 10 bridge over Lake Pontchartrain between New Orleans and Slidell to a "jigsaw puzzle."

Five hundred medically fragile evacuees sheltered at the Louisiana Superdome were transferred Tuesday to a facility at Louisiana State University in Baton Rouge. At least 2,500 patients at seven hospitals also were moved to medical centers elsewhere. Authorities have decided to relocate about 100,000 refugees housed at the Superdome and other shelters to areas outside New Orleans.

In St. Bernard Parish, where at least 40,000 houses are said to be flooded, Sheriff Jack Stephens admitted he was "helpless" in the face of food and water shortages at his community's emergency shelters.

"They're going to start killing each other if we don't get them out of there," he said Tuesday. "We're facing near-riots already."

In desperate straits

More than 1,100 refugees crowded the gym and second floor of the Chalmette High School.

"We have critically ill people who will probably expire within the next day if they don't get medical attention," school Superintendent Doris Voitier said. "We have very little water, no food and we have no communications. ... Someone, somewhere better do something for us."

Still to be addressed is how to deal with the dead.

Stephens estimated that the death toll for his parish could reach the thousands.

Martial law was declared Tuesday, but the impact seemed negligible.

On Canal Street and in the French Quarter, looters pillaged businesses as police and National Guardsmen patrolled nearby.

City Council President Thomas described the criminal activity as "the most despicable thing you could think of at this time of crisis."

Walter Maestri, emergency management director in Jefferson Parish, said low-lying neighborhoods in his parish are under 6 to 20 feet of water.

"It'll be 60 days before anything resembling normalcy returns to the area," he said. "We will also be dealing with the effects of this storm for 10 to 12 months, depending on what we find.

"The 'Big Easy' is now the 'Big Nasty.' "

Chronicle reporters Allan Turner and Cindy Horswell and the Associated Press contributed to this story.

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Donations

Local Houston organizations are accepting donations for hurricane victims. Here are ways you can help:

• The Houston Food Bank needs volunteers and paper goods, cleaning supplies, bottled water, peanut butter, heat-and-eat foods, single-serving foods and snacks that don't require refrigeration, and cash. Information: 713-223-3700 or houstonfoodbank.org/katrina.htm.

• KSBJ-FM and the Greater Houston YMCA are collecting prepaid grocery, gasoline and phone cards. Donations will be accepted today at Sharpstown Mall, Thursday at Memorial City Mall and Friday at Almeda Mall, noon-7 p.m. each day. Houston-area YMCAs will accept cards through September.

• The Archdiocese of Galveston-Houston will conduct a special collection at weekend Masses. Funds will go to Catholic Charities USA.

• The Jewish Federation of Greater Houston is accepting tax-deductible donations at www.houstonjewish.org or Jewish Federation of Greater Houston Hurricane Katrina Disaster Relief Fund, 5603 S. Braeswood, Houston, TX 77096.

• The Islamic Circle of North America is taking donations at www.icna.org and by mail at ICNA, P.O. Box 572181, Houston, TX 77257.

• The West Houston Church of Christ, 17100 West, is collecting phone, gas and grocery cards through September for distribution to Red Cross shelters. Call 281-856-0001 or visit www.westhoustonchurch.org.

•The Katy Chamber of Commerce, 2501 S. Mason, Suite 230, Katy, is taking donations of goods and services. Visit www.katychamber.com or call 281-828-1100 for more information.

• Nationally, the Federal Emergency Management Agency has a list of organizations accepting cash donations and or volunteers. To see the list, visit www.fema.gov and click on "How to help."

Going home

• For information about what roads are passable in Louisiana, you can call the State Police Road Closure Hot Line at 1-800-469-4828 or click on ww.ohsep.louisiana.gov/ evacinfo/rdclosureindex.htm.

• To find out about conditions in your home parish, you can find a listing of homeland security and emergency preparedness offices and telephone numbers at www.ohsep.louisiana.gov/Parish/parishoepnumbers.htm.

Disaster aid

• To apply for federal disaster aid, call the Federal Emergency Management Agency at 800-621-3362; for hearing/speech impaired, TTY 800-462-7585. You can also apply online at www.FEMA.gov.

Shelters

• The American Red Cross of Greater Houston opened two new shelters Tuesday: Memorial Baptist Church, 600 W. Sterling, Baytown; and St. Peter Claver, 6005 N. Wayside, Houston.

As of Tuesday afternoon, the Red Cross shelters at the Mont Belvieu Senior Center, 11607 Eagle Drive, and the Baytown Community Center, 2407 Market, Baytown, were full.

The hotline number is 866-GET-INFO.

• The Star of Hope homeless shelter will keep its facilities open all night and day to feed and house Katrina victims. The locations: The Women & Family Emergency Shelter, 419 Dowling (713-222-2220); The Men's Development Center, 1811 Ruiz (713-227-8900).

• The Salvation Army East Harris County has opened a shelter at 2732 Cherrybrook, in Pasadena. Phone: 713-378-0020.

Free lunch

• The Memorial Drive United Methodist Church, 12955 Memorial, will serve a hot lunch to families displaced by Katrina today through Friday. The lunch will be served from 11 a.m. to 1 p.m. each day in the church gym. For more information, call 713-468-8356.

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• For information about what roads are passable in Louisiana, you can call the State Police Road Closure Hot Line at 1-800-469-4828 or click on ww.ohsep.louisiana.gov/ evacinfo/rdclosureindex.htm.

• To find out about conditions in your home parish, you can find a listing of homeland security and emergency preparedness offices and telephone numbers at www.ohsep.louisiana.gov/Parish/parishoepnumbers.htm.

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Salvation Army is accepting donations, volunteers and offering help to victims through the same contact number:

1-800-SAL-ARMY

Their website http://www.salvationarmyusa.org/

You're still at it! You've done a fantastic job. From one freeper to another: I salute you!

Somebody help me figure this elevation chart out.

http://www.nola.com/weather/elevationsmap.html

It looks to me like very little of NO is actually below sea level. It is below the river and lake flood levels but not sea level???

One thing I keep wondering is how many more of them are in those attics.

With afternoon high temperatures of 92 to 94 degrees the heat in those attics would be terrible.

A few years ago I checked the temperature in my attic on a day when the thermometer in the shade reached 95.

132 Degrees.

I wonder and worry how long people can survive in that heat.

She already stepped in!

Don't you mean, "She already stepped in IT.

I understand Lake Pontchartrain is below sea level so from your chart, that would put the city below that. I'd heard as Katrina was coming ashore, if the hurricane came in on the east side of the city, it would push storm surge water in from the gulf, then the wind rotation would force lake water down from the north, and there would be pouring rain - literally water from all directions.

From that account, it seems the city is below sea level.

Thank you for that post.

This is totally discusting looters reach a new low.http://www.nola.com/newslogs/breakingtp/index.ssf?/mtlogs/nola_Times-Picayune/archives/2005_08.html#075234
Looters threatening the childrens hospital good god.