Some secret, mind altering, unspoken agenda, hmm?
Posted on 08/17/2005 7:58:48 AM PDT by Dr._Joseph_Warren
Question:
Ignoring all legal issues....
Would you care/object if your children's teacher was openly (not flaming) gay?
Would it make any difference if the gay teacher was male or female?
Would it make any difference if the gay person taught elementary, middle school or high school?
If you took any random group of 100 people and did a brain scan of their innermost desires, fears, and turn-ons, you'd be saying "wow!" a lot. The kindly straight high school english teacher may get a funny tingling every time he sees a sheep. It happens--we don't have to know.
The key to a civilized society is that we keep things discrete. We don't want our kids to know every weird thought our straight teachers have or what they did in bed the night before. The same goes for the gay teachers. If gay teachers are discrete, I don't have a problem with that.
Good question.
Let's see... gay man, no. Gay woman, yes.
I have a 16-y/o daughter, so a gay man would keep his hands off her. A gay woman... with a 16-y/o, that would bother me. Every lesbian I've ever met has been pushy, aggressive, and radical. I don't like people like that, and I especially don't like them around my daughter.
Both would be "no" if they used the classroom as a recruiting ground or as an arena to further the gay agenda.
Ping
You are dillusional, go watch a documentary that was made about the making of the Hepatitis Virus... they were looking for Hepatitis immune people and were interviewing folks from the villiage... Routinely they were asking how many sexual partners have you had? And the answers would be 5 to 10 A NIGHT... and when asked how long, they would answer for 3, 4, 5 or 10 YEARS...
You are completely naive about large swaths of the homosexual "lifestyle" if you think by and large they are just like everyone else.
It's a hypothetical question so we can ignore the legal issues.
Some secret, mind altering, unspoken agenda, hmm?
And if they are law-abiding, productive members of society, their homosexuality is not really an issue for me, nor will it be for my kids (who will presumably share my beliefs in this area).
Would any "lifestyle" be an unacceptable role model for your children, provided they were otherwise reliable and trustworthy by your definition?
Your question assumes that the person's life style would be something that was talked about. If a teacher was a swinger and they started talking about that in class, I would be in favor of firing them. Similarly, if a gay teacher started talking about what he and his partner did behind closed doors, I would also support firing them.
My son just had a teacher who I suspect (as do many other parents) is lesbian. However, it's not something she discussed openly and it appeared to have no affect on her teaching. I had no problem with her.
I had a teacher in high school who everybody assumed was gay and it turned out he was. Again, it was not something he talked about (of course that was 30 years ago) and he was one of the best teachers I ever had in secondary school. One of my other top teachers lived with his mother and had very effeminate mannerisms. We all assumed he was gay. Several years after we graduated, he married an 18-year-old girl a few months after SHE graduated. He was about 15 years older than she. There was some uproar but nobody ever found evidence they had fooled around when she was a student. Twenty-five years later they have three children and remain married.
You never know.
If (s)he is teaching the subject properly and never talks about their sexuality in class, I have no problem.
Unless my kid is taking "Homosexuality 101" there is no reason for the teacher to bring up their sexuality in class...even if asked (It's none of your business, kid.)
Ain't that the truth!
Exactly!!!!!
Openly gay: meaning that it was discussed, out in the open, not kept quiet
YES, I'd take my grandson out of the class.
But if the gay teacher's sexual orientation was kept secret, (in the closet, so to speak) then I won't object.
As for the morality of being Mormon, if you define being Mormon as being a polygamist then fine, it's immoral. If you define it as just having a ridiculous love and admiration for Joseph Smith, then no. If my kid's teacher were a known polygamist, I'd have a problem with that too.
Given my answer to question #1, questions 2 an 3 become irrelevant and meaningless.
Try it yourself. If your married, try to have sex 10 times in an evening with your wife. Go ahead, try it. And then try to do it again the next night, and the night after, and so on. Try it for a week, let alone 10 years.
Some claim that there is a genetic componant to being alcoholic, and yet, I have never once said to him:
"Hey, you can't help it, God MADE you this way...it must be OK! Drink up! It would be cruel and unreasonable of me to expect you to do what I in my small-mindedness belive to be right. It is much kinder of me to simply pronounce you as too weak and spineless to turn down something that your past insists is fun. Hey, I'll buy the next round!"
This, of course, is sarcasm. But let's say it isn't. Turning the question around, what if you had a teacher, in your kids' high school or even gradeschool, who openly drank? I mean, not right there in front of the kids, obviously, but whom everyone knew drank heavily away from the school? What if that teacher tacitly made those kids think, "Hey, he does it. Nobody is condemning him for kicking back quarts of Jack Daniels, as long as he does it on his free time." The teacher wouldn't have to actually say that drinking was OK, was fun, was "no big deal"...the very fact that everybody in the school, including the teacher's bosses, knew it was going on and said nothing makes it acceptable to the kids. The teacher might actually invite the kids over for a little party...or might not...you'd never know, really. Are you, as a parent, OK with this behavior?
(For that matter, for forty years, the PC Police have been beating us over the head with how bad smoking is. Oh, dear God, smoking kills everyone who ever lit up, and poisons people in a five-mile radius. I see TV commercials where snooty, snotty, arrogant high school girls inform me that if anyone smokes in a restaurant where they are, they just cough loudly until the smoker goes away. Now, to the Liberals, humiliating a smoker is fine. If I asked a waitress for the "non-Homo section", boy would I be hung out to dry. The lesson? It's OK to embarass the people that we disagree with...unless they belong to the groups that Liberals approve of. Double standard, do you think? Try lecturing the Left that being homosexual is morally wrong, tempts kids into doing things that can harm their health, is offensive to the majority of those around them, and places too much of a burden on limited healthcare resources when those dollars should go towards REAL diseases. I've heard every one of those arguments made against smoking...but of course, Libs don't approve of smoking. But I digress...)
To take an extreme example, the school marms of a past age had some really draconian resrtictions on what they were allowed to do and remain employed, because they were role models to young minds. Those restrictions might seem quaint these days...but is the idea that you should have standards when it comes to the people who are teaching your kids unreasonable?
When I was a kid, there were teachers "in the gray zone" that we wondered about. Fine. But nobody announced to the world how good it was to be queer, and how proud the were to be it, and how much of a small minded bastard I must be if I didn't rubber-stamp their deviency as being A-OK.
Out of there, in a heartbeat if there is ANY proof that they are homosexual. Man or woman, no difference. My kids are too precious to me, and it is my job to teach them what is right and wrong. I don't need a Lefty school board confusing them.
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