Posted on 08/11/2005 8:28:30 AM PDT by SirLinksalot
Nelson brings intelligent design debate to Australia
August 10, 2005 - 7:47PM
Education Minister Brendan Nelson supports the teaching of a controversial new theory of creationism, but only if it is balanced by the instruction of established science.
President George Bush has started a debate in the United States over the teaching of evolution in school by suggesting a theory known as "intelligent design" should be taught in the classroom.
It proposes that life is too complex to have developed through evolution, and an unseen power must have had a hand.
Dr Nelson said he had met the proponents of intelligent design, in addition to watching a DVD on the subject.
"Do I think it should be a replacement for teaching the origins of mankind in a scientific sense? I most certainly don't think that it should be," he told the National Press Club in Canberra.
"In fact I would be quite concerned if it were to replace it.
"Do I think that parents in schools should have the opportunity if they wish to for students also to be exposed to this and be taught about it? Yes. I think that's fine."
Intelligent design differs from biblical creationism in that it is not tied to a literal interpretation of the biblical book of Genesis.
Nevertheless, intelligent design points to the role of a creator, and it has become increasingly influential in Christian circles.
AAP
"...All my life, I could never wear watches on my arms because within the span of >from two days to two weeks, they would stop..."
So even before the OBE (or NDE) she couldn't wear watches. Hmm-m.
I can't seem to find the proper form for this citation in the Harvard Bluebook, but I think it's supposed to be in large and small caps.
The Christian Research Institite opines on the subject.
This author says NDE "messages are not compatible with biblical Christianity." (I have no opinion on the subject).
This website has links to medical data, Biblical information and prophecy on the subject.
What I want to know was when was Patton a member of the Joint Chiefs, and when was the "Personal physician" to them born? To be what he claims to have been would require him to be about 90 years old if not more.
One of my favorite summaries of ID: "If it isn't a miracle, then THAT's a miracle!"
No, we're the ones who don't believe in miracles. You can twist it about to where that's believing in miracles, but it takes some twisting.
Embellish a little here, embellish a little there and the next thing you know, the story's full of talking serpents, people-swallowing whales, and people rising from the dead.
VR, perhaps the point of disagreement between you and me is that you don't think there's anything worthwhile in Aristotle's trenchant analysis of causation and I think there is.
wouldn't the interactions of "fewer" things only slow down the process not limit it?
Symantec would be a "selection" process would it not...those that mutate to avoid symantec would thrive while those that do not would be selected against
no, altering existing information is still change, that doesn't mean its NEW information.
semantic is the word you want, Symantec is an anti-virus company. Or perhaps you meant syntax?
"semantic is the word you want, Symantec is an anti-virus company. Or perhaps you meant syntax?"
Strange line of logic that got us here, but we were actually talking about computer viruses so Symantec is correct, they produce anti-virus software.
oh my apologies
Howdy there Gumlegs;
Thank you very much for the links. :)
As I said on another thread...with me being a Christian...I only believe in the NDE's that line up with God's Words.
And not everything here does:
http://www.near-death.com/index.html
Like I don't believe in reincarnation "now" (but I use to when I was a athesist)...because the Bible says:
Hebrews 9
27 And just as it is destined that each person dies only once and after that comes judgment,
28 so also Christ died only once as a sacrifice to take away the sins of many people. He will come again but not to deal with our sins again. This time he will bring salvation to all those who are eagerly waiting for him.
But I firmly believe that God is allowing folks to have NDE's to serve as a warning to all the unbelievers out there. He doesn't want anyone to be lost.
The Rich Man and Lazarus
19 Jesus said, There was a certain rich man who was splendidly clothed and who lived each day in luxury.
20 At his door lay a diseased beggar named Lazarus.
21 As Lazarus lay there longing for scraps from the rich mans table, the dogs would come and lick his open sores.
22 Finally, the beggar died and was carried by the angels to be with Abraham. The rich man also died and was buried,
23 and his soul went to the place of the dead. There, in torment, he saw Lazarus in the far distance with Abraham.
24 The rich man shouted, Father Abraham, have some pity! Send Lazarus over here to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in anguish in these flames.
25 But Abraham said to him, son, remember that during your lifetime you had everything you wanted, and Lazarus had nothing. So now he is here being comforted, and you are in anguish.
26 And besides, there is a great chasm separating us. Anyone who wanted to cross over to you from here is stopped at its edge, and no one there can cross over to us.
27 Then the rich man said, Please, Father Abraham, send him to my fathers home.
28 For I have five brothers, and I want him to warn them about this place of torment so they wont have to come here when they die.
29 But Abraham said, Moses and the prophets have warned them. Your brothers can read their writings anytime they want to.
30 The rich man replied, No, Father Abraham! But if someone is sent to them from the dead, then they will turn from their sins.
31 But Abraham said, If they wont listen to Moses and the prophets, they wont listen even if someone rises from the dead.
Not that any of them will listen as we were already told.
I'd love a demonstration of how you did it, VR. Seriously.
Hey, if someone claims that a structure with 40 elements is irreducible, and someone comes along with a structure with 33 elements, the original claim is definitely in question.
If I recall, the meat of the argument was not about specific numbers, it was about the fact that the numbers were large and complex. That requiring the presence of A through Z to make something work doesnt change things if something else only requires A through V.
As I said, I am not an expert. I have read a couple of books on the subject... Have you read the book. Your arguments sound like they are based on some other source other than the book I read.
Also, much medical research is buttressed by evolutionary theory.
How?
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