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What does Robin Cook's death tell us health-wise? No hiking for 50-plus males?
Aug 7 05 | churchillbuff

Posted on 08/08/2005 11:50:09 AM PDT by churchillbuff

This Brit parliamentarian was not obese, not sedentary. In fact, he walked a lot with his dogs, and did "hill walking" regularly with his wife. But then he collapses, apparent heart attack - on one of his hill walks - at not eve 60 y.o.

Maybe level walking - not up and down, start and stop - is the way to go for "mid life" males?


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To: Lester Moore

"The real question is, what neighborhood are we gonna live in hereafter?"

Ain't that the truth! Maybe some of the "health nuts" need to work abit more on their "insides"!


41 posted on 08/08/2005 12:30:26 PM PDT by Primetimedonna
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To: gate2wire

See ya' in the liquor store. But don't say hi.........


42 posted on 08/08/2005 12:31:22 PM PDT by Red Badger (Want to be surprised? GOOOOGLE your own name. Want to have fun? GOOOOGLE your neighbor's......)
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To: Physicist
What does Robin Cook's death tell us health-wise?

That statistical distributions have tails.

Thank you, thank you, thank you, for putting into the fewest words, what I was preparing to go on and on about.

43 posted on 08/08/2005 12:32:10 PM PDT by Paradox (PornBot 2.0)
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To: VRWCmember

When it is your time to go, the Grim Reaper will get you, so it doesn't matter how many miles you walk per day or how many pushups you do, he's gonna get ya!


44 posted on 08/08/2005 12:32:57 PM PDT by Sangria
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To: churchillbuff

it was the socialized medicine


45 posted on 08/08/2005 12:35:41 PM PDT by DM1
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To: DarthVader

I thought he wrote medical thrillers.


46 posted on 08/08/2005 12:44:22 PM PDT by MIT-Elephant ("Armed with what? Spitballs?")
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To: jdm

I think that Cook's wife was in better shape than he was and she took him a few steps too far.


47 posted on 08/08/2005 12:54:45 PM PDT by tessalu
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To: jdm

I think that Cook's wife was in better shape than he was and she took him a few steps too far.


48 posted on 08/08/2005 12:56:47 PM PDT by tessalu
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To: jdm

"I almost brought up Jim Fixx. Damn! If I'm going to kick the bucket while working out, at least let it happen on the StairMaster!"

I'd rather it be deep in the female anatomy, any man's true "master."


49 posted on 08/08/2005 12:58:42 PM PDT by Harrius Magnus (Call Me Cassandra...)
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To: Lester Moore
What can you imagine your brother thinking to himself if he attends your funeral?

We haven't spoken since we had a big fight 13 years ago.

I'm sure he won't attend.

So he would probably laugh himself to death!

50 posted on 08/08/2005 1:06:15 PM PDT by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
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To: churchillbuff

Life is a sexually transmitted condition that is invariably fatal.

In the words of the late Jim Morrison: "No one here gets out alive."

In the words of the late Warren Zevon: "I'm too old to die young, and too young to die now."


51 posted on 08/08/2005 1:07:41 PM PDT by 43north (Pain is God's way of telling me I'm still alive.)
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To: CROSSHIGHWAYMAN

My father died at 60, my mother at 58 - neither drank or smoked. My brother just died at 74 - he drank every day and smoked at least 2 packs a day. I'm 56...


52 posted on 08/08/2005 1:09:56 PM PDT by debg
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To: churchillbuff

All this incident can do is to remind us to have regular physical examinations.


53 posted on 08/08/2005 1:10:28 PM PDT by TaxRelief
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To: SF Republican
yea but I don't want to be on a plane when its the pilots time!

Reminds me of a favorite tagline:

I want to die like my Grandfather, in his sleep. Not screaming, like his passengers.

54 posted on 08/08/2005 1:14:27 PM PDT by TonyInOhio (Would I lie to you?)
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To: MIT-Elephant

He did resign from the Cabinet. Here is the text of his speech from 2003:

This is the first time for 20 years that I have addressed the House from the back benches.

I must confess that I had forgotten how much better the view is from here.

None of those 20 years were more enjoyable or more rewarding than the past two, in which I have had the immense privilege of serving this House as Leader of the House, which were made all the more enjoyable, Mr Speaker, by the opportunity of working closely with you.

It was frequently the necessity for me as Leader of the House to talk my way out of accusations that a statement had been preceded by a press interview.

On this occasion I can say with complete confidence that no press interview has been given before this statement.

I have chosen to address the House first on why I cannot support a war without international agreement or domestic support.

Backing Blair

The present Prime Minister is the most successful leader of the Labour party in my lifetime.

I hope that he will continue to be the leader of our party, and I hope that he will continue to be successful. I have no sympathy with, and I will give no comfort to, those who want to use this crisis to displace him.

I applaud the heroic efforts that the prime minister has made in trying to secure a second resolution.

I do not think that anybody could have done better than the foreign secretary in working to get support for a second resolution within the Security Council.

But the very intensity of those attempts underlines how important it was to succeed.

Now that those attempts have failed, we cannot pretend that getting a second resolution was of no importance.

French intransigence?

France has been at the receiving end of bucket loads of commentary in recent days.

It is not France alone that wants more time for inspections. Germany wants more time for inspections; Russia wants more time for inspections; indeed, at no time have we signed up even the minimum necessary to carry a second resolution.

We delude ourselves if we think that the degree of international hostility is all the result of President Chirac.

The reality is that Britain is being asked to embark on a war without agreement in any of the international bodies of which we are a leading partner - not NATO, not the European Union and, now, not the Security Council.

To end up in such diplomatic weakness is a serious reverse.

Only a year ago, we and the United States were part of a coalition against terrorism that was wider and more diverse than I would ever have imagined possible.

'Heavy price'

History will be astonished at the diplomatic miscalculations that led so quickly to the disintegration of that powerful coalition.

The US can afford to go it alone, but Britain is not a superpower.

Our interests are best protected not by unilateral action but by multilateral agreement and a world order governed by rules.

Yet tonight the international partnerships most important to us are weakened: the European Union is divided; the Security Council is in stalemate.

Those are heavy casualties of a war in which a shot has yet to be fired.

I have heard some parallels between military action in these circumstances and the military action that we took in Kosovo. There was no doubt about the multilateral support that we had for the action that we took in Kosovo.

It was supported by NATO; it was supported by the European Union; it was supported by every single one of the seven neighbours in the region. France and Germany were our active allies.

It is precisely because we have none of that support in this case that it was all the more important to get agreement in the Security Council as the last hope of demonstrating international agreement.

Public doubts

The legal basis for our action in Kosovo was the need to respond to an urgent and compelling humanitarian crisis.

Our difficulty in getting support this time is that neither the international community nor the British public is persuaded that there is an urgent and compelling reason for this military action in Iraq.

The threshold for war should always be high.

None of us can predict the death toll of civilians from the forthcoming bombardment of Iraq, but the US warning of a bombing campaign that will "shock and awe" makes it likely that casualties will be numbered at least in the thousands.

I am confident that British servicemen and women will acquit themselves with professionalism and with courage. I hope that they all come back.

I hope that Saddam, even now, will quit Baghdad and avert war, but it is false to argue that only those who support war support our troops.

It is entirely legitimate to support our troops while seeking an alternative to the conflict that will put those troops at risk.

Nor is it fair to accuse those of us who want longer for inspections of not having an alternative strategy.

For four years as foreign secretary I was partly responsible for the western strategy of containment.

Over the past decade that strategy destroyed more weapons than in the Gulf war, dismantled Iraq's nuclear weapons programme and halted Saddam's medium and long-range missiles programmes.

Iraq's military strength is now less than half its size than at the time of the last Gulf war.

Threat questioned

Ironically, it is only because Iraq's military forces are so weak that we can even contemplate its invasion. Some advocates of conflict claim that Saddam's forces are so weak, so demoralised and so badly equipped that the war will be over in a few days.

We cannot base our military strategy on the assumption that Saddam is weak and at the same time justify pre-emptive action on the claim that he is a threat.

Iraq probably has no weapons of mass destruction in the commonly understood sense of the term - namely a credible device capable of being delivered against a strategic city target.

It probably still has biological toxins and battlefield chemical munitions, but it has had them since the 1980s when US companies sold Saddam anthrax agents and the then British Government approved chemical and munitions factories.

Why is it now so urgent that we should take military action to disarm a military capacity that has been there for 20 years, and which we helped to create?

Why is it necessary to resort to war this week, while Saddam's ambition to complete his weapons programme is blocked by the presence of UN inspectors?

Israeli breaches

Only a couple of weeks ago, Hans Blix told the Security Council that the key remaining disarmament tasks could be completed within months.

I have heard it said that Iraq has had not months but 12 years in which to complete disarmament, and that our patience is exhausted.

Yet it is more than 30 years since resolution 242 called on Israel to withdraw from the occupied territories.

We do not express the same impatience with the persistent refusal of Israel to comply.

I welcome the strong personal commitment that the prime minister has given to middle east peace, but Britain's positive role in the middle east does not redress the strong sense of injustice throughout the Muslim world at what it sees as one rule for the allies of the US and another rule for the rest.

Nor is our credibility helped by the appearance that our partners in Washington are less interested in disarmament than they are in regime change in Iraq.

That explains why any evidence that inspections may be showing progress is greeted in Washington not with satisfaction but with consternation: it reduces the case for war.

Presidential differences

What has come to trouble me most over past weeks is the suspicion that if the hanging chads in Florida had gone the other way and Al Gore had been elected, we would not now be about to commit British troops.

The longer that I have served in this place, the greater the respect I have for the good sense and collective wisdom of the British people.

On Iraq, I believe that the prevailing mood of the British people is sound. They do not doubt that Saddam is a brutal dictator, but they are not persuaded that he is a clear and present danger to Britain.

They want inspections to be given a chance, and they suspect that they are being pushed too quickly into conflict by a US Administration with an agenda of its own.

Above all, they are uneasy at Britain going out on a limb on a military adventure without a broader international coalition and against the hostility of many of our traditional allies.

From the start of the present crisis, I have insisted, as Leader of the House, on the right of this place to vote on whether Britain should go to war.

It has been a favourite theme of commentators that this House no longer occupies a central role in British politics.

Nothing could better demonstrate that they are wrong than for this House to stop the commitment of troops in a war that has neither international agreement nor domestic support.

I intend to join those tomorrow night who will vote against military action now. It is for that reason, and for that reason alone, and with a heavy heart, that I resign from the government.



55 posted on 08/08/2005 1:18:09 PM PDT by DarthVader (Islam is not something to be understood, it is something that must be utterly destroyed)
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To: The Great RJ
As a former paramedic I know some of those DRT (dead right there) cases in people in apparent good health on autopsy show massive heart problems and even previous heart attacks.

That's what happened to my Dad. He was a runner (but not obsessive), yet he collapsed and died instantly at age 56 while sitting in a recliner chair when one of the arteries near his heart burst. The autopsy showed evidence of at least one prior episode, and it also showed he had an enlarged heart.

56 posted on 08/08/2005 1:23:38 PM PDT by Carling (http://www.marriedadults.com/howarddeanscreamaudio141jq.mp3)
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To: VRWCmember; Sangria
>It is appointed unto man once to die, and after that the judgment
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Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all
sleep, but we will all be changed— in a flash,
in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet.
For the trumpet will sound, the dead
will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed . . .

1 Corinthians 15:51-52
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If we can manage
not to push our hearts too far
with this "hiking" crap,

we may have chance
to skip this whole death business
and go right to God!

57 posted on 08/08/2005 1:32:06 PM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: DarthVader
On Iraq, I believe that the prevailing mood of the British people is sound. They do not doubt that Saddam is a brutal dictator, but they are not persuaded that he is a clear and present danger to Britain.

Mr. Cook missed the whole point of the war on Iraq. Someone in the Arab world had to be made an example of.......

58 posted on 08/08/2005 1:38:55 PM PDT by AxelPaulsenJr (Pray Daily For Our Troops and President Bush)
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To: theFIRMbss
we may have chance
to skip this whole death business
and go right to God!

Therefore my beloved brethren, be ye steadfast unmovable, always abounding in the work of the LORD, forasmuch as ye know that your labor is not in vain, in the LORD.

1 Corinthians 15:58

Nevertheless, we
should focus on life's purpose;
not longevity.
59 posted on 08/08/2005 1:40:43 PM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: churchillbuff

He was zotted.


60 posted on 08/08/2005 1:52:24 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (France is an example of retrograde chordate evolution.)
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