Posted on 08/03/2005 4:04:27 AM PDT by leadpenny
Roadside bomb in western Iraq.
Not if he had gained a declaration of war.
Not gaining the formal declaration may be the worst political move Bush ever made.
Now those without the willingness to see it through tough times are weak in the knees and asking for pullouts.
Failing to support this war in Iraq is the best way to kill our troops.
"We've got to quit pussyfooting with what is coming across that western border."
And our Southern borders.
Sad, sad day. They made the ultimate sacrifice.
Prayers for our fallen heros and their families who mourn them.
Bush couldn't possibly have gotten a formal declaration of war, for the same reasons why Congress has never formally declared war since 1941. Declaring war means identifying an enemy, and in this age of "nation-building" in the "New World Order" this simply isn't going to happen. This is precisely why every military action the U.S. has undertaken since 1945 has been a half-@ssed effort in which "building a coalition" to support the action has been more important than protecting the sovereignty of the United States.
Why are you so against fighting for something that is right? Things now are not like they were in WWI or WWII, we did not ask to be bombed, we did not ask for any of it. They hit first, being way back in 1982 with Lebanon and then the Cole and Cobart Towers. While our Govt is not perfect, who is ALWAYS called upon to solve every other countries problems?? If we do nothing, we are cursed for not caring, if do something, we are cursed for butting in. Personally, I'd be all for nuking the place, paving it over and telling the rest of that part of the world and France, Germany and any other country that gripes to go @#$@# themselves.
And combat is a mf'er!
I'm praying for Chris, and you, right now.
Zarqawi has simply shifted his focus from killing Iraqis to start a civil war to killing US troops. He will shift to killing Iraqis again in September before the Constitutional Convention and post October before the next election. The next two elections if they go well will change the entire formula in Iraq and the Sunnis will have popular leaders who will get rid of the jihadists themselves. If the elections fail and the Sunnis don't vote, then we are in trouble.
I'm not. If Iraq is an enemy of the United States, then lay waste to the entire country and let those folks start all over again from the Stone Age. "Nation building" in a Third World dump is not "fighting for something that is right" in any sense of the term.
Personally, I'd be all for nuking the place, paving it over and telling the rest of that part of the world and France, Germany and any other country that gripes to go @#$@# themselves.
Same here. If this country's government isn't willing to at least consider this option (and we know that they aren't), then it never should have sent a single U.S. soldier over there.
Anybody know the unit yet? Man, I hope it ain't 3/25 (from Ohio) again. Regardless, Semper Fi and hang tough!
No doubt I'll be seriously flamed for this. But I've come to believe that what's needed is another Hiroshima. Select a Baathist town, give a warning and a demand that local "insurgents" surrender, and, if they don't, drop one. Repeat.
Will some innocents die? Yes. Will more innocents and more Americans die without harsh action? Probably. Will the left scream? They're screaming now. Will more Middle Easterners turn against the US? They're doing that now, but at a very low cost. We can at least raise the cost dramatically.
We've got to decide whether or not we're really in this to crush the enemy.
I don't understand you...all of your arguments are made on the premise that the battle for Iraq was started in a vaccuum for no reason and with no history.
The stubborn fact is that the military survived without much support from the Clinton administration. They were underfunded and undermined by the Clinton Administration's non-response to Mogadishu, Embassy bombings, The USS Cole, just to name some.
Miklaszewski mentioned it but I don't remember. 3/25th doesn't ring a bell.
You and Chris will be in my thoughts and prayers.
IOW, it hasn't been poliically expedient for Congress to declare war since WW II, has it?
That is part of my point.
IMO, this shouldn't have happened without a declaration, but now that it has we owe it to everyone to see it through and not get squishy when there's bloodshed.
I believe the main reason AQ(and others) haven't attacked America again at home is just for that reason. The enemy knows it's coming - they just don't want to wake the sleeping giant just yet. Right now we're a divided country and they don't want to unite us.
But I think that you miss the point as to what we are fighting for. It is not for oil, as so many think. It is not a country that we are fighting, it's a mindset. A mindset that wants to see you and me dead, just because we are not like them. It just happens to be being fought in Iraq. To lay waste to the country and have them rebuild from the Stone age, well, that is punishing the innocent people, while there are few... I would much rather fight them over there than have it going on in this country. But, as you know from recent news, it's everywhere, their mindset is warped and evil and it has to taken on, head on. We are the ONLY country strong enough to do it, as usual.
Hear ya...I don't recall "nation-building" part and parcel of the American Constitution.
I DO know defending the sovereign border IS.
Question: Just when the hell does Saddam get tried and executed? (or are they waiting for him to die of "old age"?)
No, they aren't. They are made on the premise that the "battle for Iraq" started long before 9/11, and I consider it an insult to my intelligence when anyone (either inside or outside the U.S. government) suggests otherwise.
They were underfunded and undermined by the Clinton Administration's non-response to Mogadishu, Embassy bombings, The USS Cole, just to name some.
What do you think the Bush administration would have done differently in response to these things (particularly the embassy bombings and the attack on the USS Cole)?
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