Posted on 07/30/2005 4:52:49 PM PDT by quesney
Mr. El-Kikhia said this in a column in the San Antonio Express-News:
I am fed up with the ceaseless requests by columnists, religious personalities and other American public figures for Arabs and Muslims to apologize for terrorist acts committed by thugs and murderers in the name of Islam.
As far as I am concerned, the final straw came a couple of weeks ago when the Council on American-Islamic Relations, or CAIR, paid for a national advertisement repudiating terrorism in the name of Islam.
As soon as the advertisement was broadcast on America's media, I read a column by one of the nation's most ardent Islam-phobic columnists, Cal Thomas, now also a FOX News personality, which plowed into CAIR's reconciliation efforts. Long before 9-11, Thomas' writings were full of venom for Arabs and Muslims. He represents a despicable and ignorant attitude that, unfortunately, a sizable segment of America has come to share. There is nothing American Muslims can do to satisfy this group short of packing up and leaving the United States.
I disagree with what CAIR did, and I also disagree with this groveling and begging for forgiveness, as though American Arabs and Muslims are responsible for those atrocities. CAIR knows better, and those running it know that Islam rejects all acts of violence outside self-defense. Arab and Muslim Americans are responsible for neither the twin towers nor the London subway bombings, and as Americans they should never accept responsibility for actions they did not instigate, commit or condone.
It is rejection of U.S. and British policies in the Middle East, not Islam, that has promoted terrorism against America. And for the benefits of those who do not know, 95 percent of Middle Easterners are Muslims. Hence, it is only natural that those opposing the United States and Britain in the region would be Muslims. In India, they would have been Hindu; in Latin America or Northern Ireland, they would have been Catholic.
More important, it was the British and the United States that drew first blood. The Middle East didn't come to America or go to Britain; rather, America and Britain went to the Middle East. Both powers used and abused regimes, toppling some and keeping others in power. They never thought that the people they were helping suppress were human beings with needs, beliefs and emotions. They didn't care as long as their interests were served.
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(click link above for full article) http://www.mysanantonio.com/opinion/columnists/melkikhia/stories/MYSA072905.02O.mansour.1c2094ec.html
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I e-mailed him this:
On Jul 29, 2005, at 6:17 PM, Quesney wrote:
These responses to your recent article in the San Antonio Express-News may interest you:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1453453/posts
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This was his response:
--- "Mansour O. El-Kikhia" wrote:
> And you talk about HATE? The love is overflowing. > And quite honestly > I don't give a damn what you and your fellow > hate-mongers think or > write. >
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My response:
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 23:18:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: a link to responses to your recent article To: "Mansour O. El-Kikhia"
Sir, I think you better start giving a damn, because a growing number of average Americans are moving toward these conclusions. We all have problems and grievances -- muslim, christian, american, african, asian, young, old, fat, ugly, whatever. Everyone has grievances, but a growing number of Americans who never gave Islam a second thought are wondering why it is a disproportinate number of Muslims think their grievances justify the systematic killing of unsuspecting, unarmed, defenseless civilians for the sake of terrorizing multitudes on a scale and scope unprecendented in modern history. This carnage is ruining the image of Islam, and attitudes like yours, which border on complacency, will only make things worse. This country, and indeed the entire West, is approaching a tipping point and we may be one devestating terror attack -- perhaps a major bio or nuke attack -- away from being pushed over the edge toward dranconian measures none of us want unless those who profess Islam is a religion of peace make a greater effort to clean up their own house. Mark my words, sir, you'd better give a damn.
I think with London we are well past the tipping point. Even Blair and the French have gone over the edge. The only question is whose side you are on as we sort it all out.
One day the complacent world will wake up to the horror that islam will visit upon the believers and non-believers alike. This fresh evil will soon set islam on the road to damnation.
Bullshit you Imam!
""" There is nothing American Muslims can do to satisfy this group short of packing up and leaving the United States. """
Absolutely wrong. If this is your attitude, then yes, you all will have to pack up and leave. But it is not because us Americans are stupid. As a matter of fact I think YOU are stupid. Take responsibility and deal with the problem, or don't, and all will fail for you. Look what we have achieved. Look what has been achieved in the name of allah. Need anyone say anymore????
None of them care and none of them belive what they do is wrong. If they really did, they could not possibly be Muslims.
164 ways way to wage war against NON muslims. IN the Muslim "holy" book.
http://answering-islam.org/Quran/Themes/jihad_passages.html
They are ignorant of world history. Americans in particular are capable of extremely well organized campaigns of individual and group self-defense, that is, extraordinary violence.
The Muslims have not studied our Revolutionary War. The violence they now infilict on us (and Jews, and Spaniards, and the English) is nowhere near as devastating or effective as that used by the Colonists AND the Loyalists against each other during that time.
That ability continues today. It has through all our wars, especially the Civil War in which the stakes were very personal.
The Muslims have made the same mistake, in a very different way, that the Japanese made by attacking Pearl Harbor. In the words of the great Japanese Admiral, "I fear we have awakened a sleeping giant".
Well, rag heads, we are not asleep this time.
Yes, publicly when questioned...
...but secretly and in their dreams, probably over half of them cheer the terrorists on.
Junk history.
Well done.
Lets hope to God that its not a Sleeping Democratic Giant!
More important, it was the British and the United States that drew first blood. The Middle East didn't come to America or go to Britain; rather, America and Britain went to the Middle East.
...and what is America (and the west) doing there? Trying to help (not rule or occupy or dictate but, help) the good people of the Middle East set up a democratic based, equality based (including women's equality) society rooted in mutual respect for different opinions and a free press. If this is what is causing terrorism, then Islam is even more diseased than I expected
Another one who never reads the Koran.
Or is it Takiyya being used to confuse us infidels. - tom
It is not possible to improve on your comments.
Good job.
632: Death of the Holy Prophet. Election of Hadrat Abu Bakr as the Caliph. Usamah leads expedition to Syria. Battles of Zu Qissa and Abraq. Battles of Buzakha, Zafar and Naqra. Campaigns against Bani Tamim and Musailima, the Liar.
633: Campaigns in Bahrain, Oman, Mahrah Yemen, and Hadramaut. Raids in Iraq. Battles of Kazima, Mazar, Walaja, Ulleis, Hirah, Anbar, Ein at tamr, Daumatul Jandal and Firaz.
634: Battles of Basra, Damascus and Ajnadin. Death of Hadrat Abu Bakr. Hadrat Umar Farooq becomes the Caliph. Battles of Namaraq and Saqatia.
635: Battle of Bridge. Battle of Buwaib. Conquest of Damascus. Battle of Fahl.
636: Battle of Yermuk. Battle of Qadsiyia. Conquest of Madain.
637: Conquest of Syria. Fall of Jerusalem. Battle of Jalula.
638: Conquest of Jazirah.
639: Conquest of Khuizistan. Advance into Egypt.
640: Capture of the post of Caesaria in Syria. Conquest of Shustar and Jande Sabur in Persia. Battle of Babylon in Egypt.
641: Battle of Nihawand. Conquest Of Alexandria in Egypt.
642: attle of Rayy in Persia. Conquest of Egypt. Foundation of Fustat.
643: Conquest of Azarbaijan and Tabaristan (Russia).
644: Conquest of Fars, Kerman, Sistan, Mekran and Kharan. Martyrdom of Hadrat Umar. Hadrat Othman becomes the Caliph.
645: Campaigns in Fats.
646: Campaigns in Khurasan, Armeain and Asia Minor.
647: Campaigns in North Africa. Conquest of the island of Cypress.
648: Campaigns against the Byzantines.
651: Naval battle of the Masts against the Byzantines.
652: Discontentment and disaffection against the rule of Hadrat Othman.
656: Martyrdom of Hadrat Othman. Hadrat Ali becomes the Caliph. Battle of the Camel.
657: Hadrat Ali shifts the capital from Madina to Kufa. Battle of Siffin. Arbitration proceedings at Daumaut ul Jandal.
658: Battle of Nahrawan.
659: Conquest of Egypt by Mu'awiyah.
660: Hadrat Ali recaptures Hijaz and Yemen from Mu'awiyah. Mu'awiyah declares himself as the Caliph at Damascus.
661: Martyrdom of Hadrat Ali. Accession of Hadrat Hasan and his abdication. Mu'awiyah becomes the sole Caliph.
662: Khawarij revolts.
666: Raid of Sicily.
670: Advance in North Africa. Uqba b Nafe founds the town of Qairowan in Tunisia. Conquest of Kabul.
672: Capture of the island of Rhodes. Campaigns in Khurasan.
674: The Muslims cross the Oxus. Bukhara becomes a vassal state.
677: Occupation of Sarnarkand and Tirmiz. Siege of Constantinople.
680: Death of Muawiyah. Accession of Yazid. Tragedy of Kerbala and martyrdom of Hadrat Hussain.
682: In North Africa Uqba b Nafe marches to the Atlantic, is ambushed and killed at Biskra. The Muslims evacuate Qairowan and withdraw to Burqa.
683: Death of Yazid. Accession of Mu'awiyah II.
684: Abdullah b Zubair declares himself aS the Caliph at'Makkah. Marwan I becomes the Caliph' at Damascus. Battle of Marj Rahat.
685: Death of Marwan I. Abdul Malik becomes the Caliph at Damascus. Battle of Ain ul Wada.
686: Mukhtar declares himself as the Caliph at Kufa.
687: Battle of Kufa between the forces of Mukhtar and Abdullah b Zubair. Mukhtar killed.
691: Battle of Deir ul Jaliq. Kufa falls to Abdul Malik.
692: The fall of Makkah. Death of Abdullah b Zubair. Abdul Malik becomes the sole Caliph.
695: Khawarij revolts in Jazira and Ahwaz. Battle of the Karun. Campaigns against Kahina in North Africa. The' Muslims once again withdraw to Barqa. The Muslims advance in Transoxiana and occupy Kish.
700: Campaigns against the Berbers in North Africa.
702: Ashath's rebellion in Iraq, battle of Deir ul Jamira.
705: Death of Abdul Malik. Accession of Walid I as Caliph.
711: Conquest of Spain, Sind and Transoxiana.
712: The Muslims advance in Spain, Sind and Transoxiana.
713: Conquest of Multan.
715: Death of Walid I. Accession of Sulaiman.
716: Invasion of Constantinople.
717: Death of Sulaiman. Accession of Umar b Abdul Aziz.
720: Death of Umar b Abdul Aziz. Accession of Yazid II.
724: Death of Yazid II. Accession of Hisham.
725: The Muslims occupy Nimes in France.
732: The battle of Tours in France.
So much for the "you hit us first" argument. The Christian Church did not go to war - for 1000 years - until attacked by the "religion of peace".
Good, then we are in perfect agreement.
I like the part aboot him packing up and going home.
Refusing them admittance to Mecca would be a good start.
It would seem so, at first glance. The difference is this: those who kill in the name of Jesus do so in spite of His teaching; those who kill in the name of muhammed do so because of his teaching.
Think that's just intolerant blather? Sit down and study the history of both religions, especially noting the eras closest to the founders. You'll see a big difference, trust me.
Furthermore, the guys who bomb abortion clinics don't hide among christians and in their churches. They don't openly preach some kind of holy war from our pulpits.
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