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Space Shuttle Fleet Grounded!
NASA sources | MB26

Posted on 07/27/2005 3:25:59 PM PDT by MindBender26

NASA realizes debris that fell of external fuel tank yesterday came close to causing irrepairable damage to shuttle now in orbit.

Fleet GROUNDED. More later

Chances to return to flight again, no better than 50/50.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Government
KEYWORDS: deadlyfoam; enviromentalists; governmentprogram; grounded; nasa; rutan; shuttlediscovery; spaceprogram; spaceshuttle
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To: Kevin OMalley
Although I applaud Rutan's efforts and his team did a fantastic job with SpaceShipOne (SS1), it is a quantum leap between sending a pressurized capsule 100 kilometers into low space and putting a payload into space in low earth orbit.

Rutan may one day figure out how to capitalize on space tourism, but as far as heavy lift goes that takes a national effort, an enormous financial commitment and the kind of lift vehicle not seen since Nixon killed the Saturn V program.

Personally, I'm betting on the Chinese getting to the moon before we return. (Primarily because of their commitment to education over BS).
361 posted on 07/27/2005 5:50:58 PM PDT by Archangelsk (Handbasket, hell. Get used to the concept.)
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To: Prince Charles
There goes the HST repair mission.

Maybe the astromers that have been pushing the HST fix so hard will volunteer for a suicide repair mission and die in glory on re-entry.

Or maybe not.

Sorry to see the incredible HST go, but I think this is the very last Shuttle mission. I pray this astronaut group makes it home OK.

362 posted on 07/27/2005 5:52:19 PM PDT by Semi Civil Servant
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To: cake_crumb
...science and PC politics is downright deadly

There are horror stories about PC at NASA. Stuff like not being allowed to have a simple Christmas (can I say that?) ornament on your desk.

My son applied for a NASA summer thing a few years ago. Their were about 6 interviewers since they had a lot of applicants. Interviewers were black, women, wheelchair-bound, etc. In total, one white male.

My blond son didn't stand a chance. Kid from his school with lower grades got the nod since his name sounded Hispanic. After all, we don't want the best. We want to give opportunities.

363 posted on 07/27/2005 5:52:58 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: Semi Civil Servant

Given the money spent to return to flight, it is hard to see how one cent more will be spent on the problem. I agree, RIP shuttle, the CEV now pushes to center stage.


364 posted on 07/27/2005 5:54:55 PM PDT by Fitzcarraldo
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To: Semi Civil Servant
Sorry to see the incredible HST go

Again, sell it to China. That's how we handle our technology problems these days.

365 posted on 07/27/2005 5:55:05 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: Archangelsk

China is probably within ten years of a manned moon landing. They know it can be done, and that is pretty much all they need to know. It is possible the USA can get back to the moon by then, but there is apparently no sense of urgency at this time.


366 posted on 07/27/2005 5:56:22 PM PDT by RightWhale (Substance is essentially the relationship of accidents to itself)
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To: evad
"..we all know that white is not a color. hmmm...I thought black was the absence of color."

White = absence of color,
Black = presence of all colors.

That = the reflectivity thing.

367 posted on 07/27/2005 5:57:02 PM PDT by norton
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To: MinorityRepublican

"We should get our goal in building a new space ship and perhaps land to Mars before the Chi-Coms."

We already have that goal,as outlined by President Bush. It's a good read.

http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/astro/bushspacegoals.html


368 posted on 07/27/2005 5:58:38 PM PDT by cabojoe
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To: thoughtomator

just pray they can get this crew home, then NASA should be disbanded.

I heard the mission manager on the radio coming home (forget his name, starts with a P I think) - he should be fired immediately, saying that the current Discovery flight was always viewed as a "test flight". My a**, fire this idiot.


369 posted on 07/27/2005 6:00:44 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: cabojoe

Too bad he didn't mention the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty. His Committee on Moon, Mars and Beyond report does.


370 posted on 07/27/2005 6:01:09 PM PDT by RightWhale (Substance is essentially the relationship of accidents to itself)
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To: Milwaukee_Guy

NASA - "We don't know what we're doing and we prove it every day."


371 posted on 07/27/2005 6:04:13 PM PDT by Buck72
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To: oceanview
just pray they can get this crew home, then NASA should be disbanded.

I think Griffen (the new NASA manager) has passed out what appears to be a final exam for the Shuttle Program and it appears to have failed the test. Maybe things will turn around and NASA won't be disbanded entirely.

372 posted on 07/27/2005 6:04:49 PM PDT by Fitzcarraldo
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To: BurbankKarl
Chocolate may be better in color, but the Shuttle isn't...
373 posted on 07/27/2005 6:05:32 PM PDT by mikrofon (Moon & Mars (?)
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To: norton

I was just being PC, but it depends upon whether we are talking about light or surfaces.

With light, white CAN be composed of all the colors of the spectrum. (It can also be composed of a smaller portion of the spectrum such as RGB.) Hence, black would be the absence of any color (or light).

But with pigments, white is the apparent absence of color and black can be made by mixing several colors of pigment. Then, of course, what we see reflected is light. So the colors of the pigments are determined by what they absorb and what they reflect.

So it can go either way.

But, since "white" people are nowhere near white, it is totally stupid to call them white. If I went into a paint store and scanned my skin and bought some paint, the paint would be a lovely tan in the winter and a dark tan in the summer. Therefore, I am a person of color, too. In fact, I use to teach in a school where there was 1 white girl and 1000 "black" kids, none of whom were really black. (She was the valedictorian.) I was darker than about 1 in 10 "black" kids when I came back from summer vacation.


374 posted on 07/27/2005 6:05:44 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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I would look to Rutan about space..NASA, albeit it playing it safe (with millions of dollars worth of our tax dollars) doesn't come across as to hip to new ideas.

I'm for manned space flight. And I want the U.S. dominant within that field.

< didn't read the article, /just sayin>

375 posted on 07/27/2005 6:07:43 PM PDT by Michael Barnes
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To: MindBender26

Officials are still working to determine just how severe the damage is. It appears a small piece of the tile was chipped-away by a falling piece of insulation foam from the orbiter's external fuel tank. NASA engineers say now it's a matter of determining if that piece was a "chip" or a "chunk".

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this discussion is dumb. Bill Clinton and has EPA friends caused this problem. Don't believe me. Just check the records back in 1995 or 97. The green tree huggers were worried that the foam would not be bio degradable on the center fuel tank. So, a change was made in the compound of the insulation on the tank. That is whay the eariler foam came loose and the foam came loose this time.

Check it out.


376 posted on 07/27/2005 6:08:06 PM PDT by CHICAGOFARMER (1984 is here)
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To: MindBender26
Did they change the foam and the cleaning solvents or not?

What I want to know is if the Montreal Protocol is the real reason the Shuttle has been grounded.

377 posted on 07/27/2005 6:08:16 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: RightWhale

at the rate at which china is developing their technology industry (as american companies ship our industry to them), I am not surprised.


378 posted on 07/27/2005 6:08:59 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: djf
Hey, the Atlas 5 was one azz kicking machine!

I thought it was the Saturn 5? 7 million pounds at liftoff, 7.5 million pounds of thrust. Liftoffs were slow, because it had to burn off some fuel to leave the pad!

379 posted on 07/27/2005 6:11:08 PM PDT by dirtbiker (Solution for Terrorism: Nuke 'em 'till they glow, then shoot 'em in the dark!)
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To: Nowhere Man

place the blame on Nixon for Apollo


380 posted on 07/27/2005 6:11:59 PM PDT by markman46
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