Spend $16.99 so you can wear this to your grave
Posted on 07/22/2005 11:06:07 AM PDT by BigFinn
Reacting to the NYPD's announcement Thursday afternoon that police would randomly—but routinely—search the bags of commuters, one concerned New Yorker quickly created a way for civil libertarians to make their views black-and-white. In a few outraged moments, local immigrant rights activist Tony Lu designed t-shirts bearing the text, "i do not consent to being searched." The minimalist protest-wear can be purchased here, in various styles and sizes. (Lu will not get a cut. The shirts' manufacture, sale, and shipment, will be handled by the online retailer. Lu encourages budget-conscious New Yorkers to make their own and wear them everywhere.)
Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly had announced the legally obvious—that New Yorkers are free to decline a search and "turn around and leave." But Lu, who is a lawyer at Urban Justice Center, warned that even well-intentioned cops could interpret people's natural nervousness or anger as "reasonable suspicion." The possibility of unjustified interrogation and even arrest is real, Lu said.
Although police promised they would not engage in racial profiling, Lu said that, as with all street-level policing, people of color and poor immigrants would be particularly vulnerable, especially if encounters lead to arrests.
"stupidity and navite"? Maybe not.
Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
I rest my case.
Currently working on an anti-mortar system to protect the Green Zone.
I'm afraid the military is waaay too PC and anti-gun for my tastes.
LOL.
I'm pretty sure there's no right to ride public transportation in the contitution, since public transportation didn't exist back then. (/Smartass mode.)
Seriously, I know the point you're trying to make, but I don't think we can fall back on "it's in the constitution". Isn't that what the libs have done with their phantom "right to privacy"?
If I'm wrong, please cite the article you refer to. I'm always willing to expand my education.
Random searches are useless. Searches profiled by actions, including how one has "accessorized" would be far more fruitful. Focusing on more likely demographics - i.e. mostly ignore the tottering old ladies - would make the policy even more effective.
Besides, is swerving onto (not across) the center line is probable cause for a traffic stop, then nervously checking your watch a billion times in five minutes while encumbered by a bulky backpack or oversized coat should constitute probable cause. If the searchee happens to be a young, male individual of middle eastern descent, so be it.
JMO.
Stop quoting the Bill of Rights you pinko commie!
Best to ping him to #127, so he has a chance to reply (or not).
Unlike the NYPD, the Moscow cops profile.
They have this here in WA state for the WA State Ferries also. You can decline to be searched or have your car or bags searched, and they will decline to let you ride the vessel. So, there is the trade off.
Your right, they also don't being penalized for doing their jobs and they don't like getting blamed for political pandering.
NYC also penalizes its cops for not meeting "performance goals" (i.e. ticket quotas).
#177
With all due respect, that's complete crap.
With little respect since not much is due, I disagree. But I suspect that time will teach you.
None at all, if all he does is ask. Then you can say "No" and go on about your business. If you can't say "No" and go on about your business, then your right to be secure in your person and your effects has just been shot in the head.
The 4th Ammendment. Expand at will.
You are right - the random search is a waste of time - I just made a stab at what you meant on another post.
And yes, money is not the motivation for becoming a cop.
Yep. I am a season ticket holder for the Rome Braves. They are the low class A affiliate of the Atlanta Braves in Rome, Georgia. If you are carrying a bag into State Mutual Stadium, you must go through the main gate and have your bag searched. Otherwise, you cannot enter the ballpark. This is common sense for subway riders, given the recent events in London.
I applaud their willingness to sacrifice in order to protect our shores, but at some point, the balance tips, and what we've got isn't worth protecting anymore. It's really strange to read people argue that we're fighting to make people in Iraq free, when all the while we Americans are becoming less and less free. What---we have to give up what we fought for here in order to give them some?
Actually, they work really well for concealed carry.
And yes, money is not the motivation for becoming a cop
It's the handcuffs.
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