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BBC: Man shot dead by police on Tube ~~ Witness sees a bomb belt
BBC ^ | Friday, 22 July, 2005, 14:25 GMT 15:25 UK | staff

Posted on 07/22/2005 7:55:15 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

Man shot dead by police on Tube

Stockwell Tube station

Police have cordoned off a 200-metre area around the station

A man has been shot dead by police at Stockwell Tube station in south London, as officers hunt four bombing suspects.

Police are also searching an address in London's Harrow Road. Resident Patricia Osbourne said she heard six shots.

Scotland Yard said the raid was one of several taking place in the city after Thursday's attempted bombings.

BBC correspondent Danny Shaw said there were unconfirmed reports police had said the man shot at Stockwell was the Oval bomb suspect.

Passenger Mark Whitby told BBC News he had seen a man of Asian appearance shot five times by "plain-clothes police officers" with a handgun.

They pushed him to the floor, bundled on top of him and unloaded five shots into him

Witness Mark Whitby


BBC correspondent Graham Satchell, at the Harrow Road incident, said the focus of the large police presence appeared to be an internet cafe.

As well as armed officers in body armour, there were about seven police vehicles and an ambulance, he said.

People in the area were "nervous", he added.

Station evacuated

Police have cordoned off a 200-metre area around Stockwell station. The incident followed four attempted bombings in the capital on Thursday at Oval, Warren Street, Shepherd's Bush stations and on a bus in Shoreditch in east London.

Passengers were evacuated from Stockwell station, which is on the Northern Line and Victoria Line.

Teams of forensic officers are working inside the station, and police helicopters are hovering overhead.

Services on the Victoria and Northern lines were suspended following a request by the police.

Mr Whitby, told BBC News: "I was sitting on the train reading my paper.

"I heard a load of noise, people saying, 'Get out, get down!'

"I saw an Asian guy run onto the train hotly pursued by three plain-clothes police officers.

'Bomb belt'

"One of them was carrying a black handgun - it looked like an automatic - they pushed him to the floor, bundled on top of him and unloaded five shots into him.

"I saw the gun being fired five times into the guy - he is dead," he said.

BBC Home affairs correspondent Margaret Gilmore said officers had challenged a known suspect they had been following.

"He ran, they followed him. They say they gave him a warning, they then shot him.

"They brought in the air ambulance. They did everything they can to revive him. He died at the scene."

Police had warned they would shoot to kill if they believed somebody to be a threat, she added.

BBC crime correspondent Neil Bennett said the suspect was being followed as a result of CCTV footage seen by officers investigating Thursday's explosions.

It's vital the police give a statement about what occurred and explain why the man was shot dead


Muslim Council of Britain

The Muslim Council of Britain said Muslims were concerned about a possible "shoot to kill" policy.

Spokesman Inayat Bunglawala said: "There may well be reasons why the police felt it necessary to unload five shots into the man and shoot him dead, but they need to make those reasons clear.

"It's vital the police give a statement about what occurred and explain why the man was shot dead."

Another passenger on the train, Anthony Larkin, told BBC News the man had been wearing a "bomb belt with wires coming out".

"I've seen these police officers shouting, 'Get down, get down!', and I've seen this guy who appears to have a bomb belt and wires coming out.

"People were panicking and I heard shots being fired."

The man burst in through the door to my right and grabbed hold of the pole and a person by the glass partition near the door

Passenger Dan Copeland

Former Flying Squad officer, John O'Connor, told BBC News: "The man shot must either be one of the bombers or a potential suicide bomber."

Bombers "don't always carry sports bags" and the man could easily have been wearing a bomb belt, he added.

If he had been challenged by police and failed to stop they "have not got a lot of alternative", Mr O'Connor told BBC News.

Officers would be trained to aim for the head as shots to the torso could trigger a hidden explosive device, he added.

Londoner Dan Copeland was in the carriage in which the man was shot.

He told BBC News: "We were sitting for a few minutes on the platform, then we heard shouting from the concourse between the two platforms.

I worry about travelling on public transport. We have just got to get on with life

Commuter


"Then the man burst in through the door to my right and grabbed hold of the pole and a person by the glass partition near the door, diagonally opposite me.

"An officer jumped on the door to my left and screamed, 'Everybody out!'

"People just froze in their seats cowering for a few seconds and then leapt up.

"As I turned out the door onto the platform, I heard four dull bangs.

"I ran past an armed officer who was standing on the platform and ran up the stairs."

The bus driver found a rucksack split open on the top deck



After Thursday's London blasts, the bombers fled when detonators went off, causing small blasts, but failed to detonate the bombs themselves.

A massive hunt is under way for the men. Analysts believe evidence from the four scenes could throw light onto the bomb attacks carried out on 7 July.

The attempted attacks caused travel chaos across the capital, with several lines closed and Tube stations evacuated.

Scotland Yard commissioner Sir Ian Blair said the attacks had been intended to kill people.

1: Witnesses report seeing up to 20 plain clothes police officers chase a man into Stockwell Tube station from the street

2: One person says the man vaulted the automatic ticket barriers as he made his way to the platforms

3: The most direct route is via this escalator or the staircase that sits alongside it

4: After running onto a northbound Northern line train, he is shot dead by police



TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: londonattacked
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
As the chinese proverb goes the longest journey starts with a single step.

The British war on cleaning out terrorists from their island home, starts with the police killing a single terrorist.

While one is a good start they need to repeat this much more often. My hat is off the British police. Since they can't torture the guy and since there executions are not allowed in the UK, death at the hands of the police, sounds like an appropriate alternative.

81 posted on 07/22/2005 9:07:32 AM PDT by Robert357 (D.Rather "Hoist with his own petard!" www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1223916/posts)
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To: Pete
When you say the left who do you mean by the left don't forget the PM and his government are left wing. If you mean the extreme left like Tony Benn, George Galloway, Clair Short etc they have been vocal in the last few days blaming the Iraq war etc.
82 posted on 07/22/2005 9:07:33 AM PDT by snugs (An English Cheney Chick - BIG TIME)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
A big long report from the BBC which, true to their PC Kumbaya Policy, goes out of it's way to never mention the word "terrorist" anywhere. This must pose a strain on it's journalists as they try to write copy describing the activities of terrorists without ever being able to mention the "T" word.
Their Thesaurus reference books must be getting well thumbed by now.
83 posted on 07/22/2005 9:07:58 AM PDT by finnigan2
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To: petro45acp

These officers were probably SAS or on loan from the SAS.


84 posted on 07/22/2005 9:08:19 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (The civilized world must win WW IV/the Final Crusade and destroy Jihadism!)
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To: Squantos; MadIvan; Brit_Guy; snugs; Eurotwit
Right!

From the Skynews link....

I am impressed that they found him where he lives.....Brunt said officers had followed the man from his home and that the initial plan was to arrest him. ....

But why didn't they arrest him at the home?

Is there some PC Law that prevents that?

85 posted on 07/22/2005 9:09:00 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: Balding_Eagle; Ernest_at_the_Beach

"The Muslim Council of Britain said Muslims were concerned about a possible "shoot to kill" policy."

How did they know he was a Muslim so fast. I doubt if they would be concerned if a WASP had been popped.


86 posted on 07/22/2005 9:11:15 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (The civilized world must win WW IV/the Final Crusade and destroy Jihadism!)
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To: snugs

Good morning, or good afternoon to you I guess.

See question at #85.


87 posted on 07/22/2005 9:13:17 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: Grampa Dave

Good point...Some Muslim who knew the dude ran right to the Mosque?


88 posted on 07/22/2005 9:13:45 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: Grampa Dave

Beats me, surely there will be a press briefing sometime today.

See # 73.


89 posted on 07/22/2005 9:14:57 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: bernie_g; followerofchrist
As a Brit, I'm distressed to find so many freepers with that attitude, I thank you for your more sensible point of view.

As another Brit I second that thank you very much

90 posted on 07/22/2005 9:15:01 AM PDT by snugs (An English Cheney Chick - BIG TIME)
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To: Sacajaweau

"Good point...Some Muslim who knew the dude ran right to the Mosque?"

Or they speed dialed their local Mullah/Iman who advocates death to all who aren't Muslim.

I can guarantee you, the Muslim spokesmouths would not be concerned if a WASP was popped.


91 posted on 07/22/2005 9:18:02 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (The civilized world must win WW IV/the Final Crusade and destroy Jihadism!)
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To: Grampa Dave

Counter-terrorist police officers in the UK are taught CQB either by the SAS or by people who were taught by the SAS.

So it's possible these were cops, from anti-terrorist squad or special branch, or maybe security service spooks. It's possible that they were SAS but my guess is that they were cops. There are only a couple of hundred badged troopers in the real SAS, and they're mostly kind of busy elsewhere.

Dumping the guy on the ground hard, sitting on him and putting a clip up his nose is 100% pure SAS style though.


92 posted on 07/22/2005 9:18:55 AM PDT by bernie_g
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
But why didn't they arrest him at the home?

Is there some PC Law that prevents that?

The probably wanted to see where he would go and who he would meet. Then they'd arrest him and maybe bag a few other terrs as well.

93 posted on 07/22/2005 9:19:13 AM PDT by El Gato
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To: ThanhPhero
"If the suspect possibly has his hand on a trigger then you shoot him even if you have him down. "

Could not agree more. If his lungs still have a breath left he is still a deadly threat.
I have not heard yet if it was confirmed he had explosives or not, but to bad so sad. In light of what has been happening the Police should be able to use Deadly Force when a threat look imminent.
94 posted on 07/22/2005 9:20:28 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: snugs

The way I see it, Londoners voted in a terrorist appeaser for Mayor by the name of 'Red Ken' who essentially blamed Britian and US for the terrorist attacks on London. I FIND THAT OFFENSIVE. He speaks for Londoners because they voted for him. They knew what he was all about before they cast their vote. What people in their right mind would vote for a guy like that? Also,Britain was handing out citizenships to muslems like breath mints. A recent poll a yr backed asked where their(Brit muslems) allegence was(their home country or Britian). Guess what? Over 50% said with their home country. Now look at the world of hurt it has caused your country in the name of diversity (I'm guessing). So I'm not sure what part of the exerpt of my post is innacurate. Perhaps I was wrong about what an American response would be to a similar event, but I am not wrong about calling Londoners(at least those who vote as a whole) a lost liberal cause. Maybe is they recall 'Red Ken's' sorry ass I will have a different opinion.

So if you want an apology from me you are going to have to wait a looooooooooooong time. Like never.


95 posted on 07/22/2005 9:21:05 AM PDT by mlbford2 ("Never wrestle with a pig; you can't win, you just get filthy, and the pig loves it...")
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

May be they wanted to follow him to see where he was going or maybe they feared if they tried to take him in for questioning at home that they might provoke an incident putting other people in the home in danger. Was there a family or other people in the house - sorry what with dad being ill am only getting snippits of news so miss certain things.


96 posted on 07/22/2005 9:21:10 AM PDT by snugs (An English Cheney Chick - BIG TIME)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Gazillion possiblities I suppose , was he possibly leading them to more of his murdering trash friends ?....was the station something he ducked into before they could stop him on his walk ?

All our opinions are based on the noooooze from presstitutes so guess we should yeild to those on the ground as to proper or improper. Just from what I read I don't like the results short of one more islamakazi is standing before the ultimate judgement right now.....


97 posted on 07/22/2005 9:21:46 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Spokesman Inayat Bunglawala said: "There may well be reasons why the police felt it necessary to unload five shots into the man and shoot him dead, but they need to make those reasons clear.

"It's vital the police give a statement about what occurred and explain why the man was shot dead."
..LET ME ANSWER THAT ONE:
You scumbag jihaist sympathizer,
With no regret at all, we, the defenders of innocent civilian, choose to exterminate one of your followers who was caught prior to a mass murder. The fact that you asked that question leads us to believe you too should meet his same fate. GOD SAVE THE QUEEN!


98 posted on 07/22/2005 9:22:09 AM PDT by BayouCoyote (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices it.)
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To: BayouCoyote

CAIR issued a statement saying its all a big "misunderstanding"


99 posted on 07/22/2005 9:23:44 AM PDT by samadams2000 (Pitchforks and Lanters..with a smiley face!)
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To: bernie_g

My wife and I have a friend who was Spec Ops for us in Nam. He serves as a consultant to various Swat Teams and probably to our military.

He told us that a lot of the special unit guys for London's police force are former SAS guys, both retired and guys who are out of the military.

He said that they train the London Cops on a regular basis. However, in most cases where a gun is used, the officer was a retired SAS or had served. One of their trade marks is no bad guys live after being shot by them.

Re the regular SASers being busy. He predicted that within hours after 7/7 they were flying to various parts of the world to settle accounts.

I will see him this afternoon and ask him.

Regardless, great job by these brave men. The good citizens of London can be assured when there are men like that protecting them.


100 posted on 07/22/2005 9:27:18 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (The civilized world must win WW IV/the Final Crusade and destroy Jihadism!)
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