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Preserving modesty in the pool (Muslim women in Seattle)
Seattle Times ^ | July 19, 2005 | Lornet Turnbull

Posted on 07/19/2005 1:03:41 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o

It's Saturday evening, the end of a hot day, and a group of women and children have gathered at North Seattle's Meadowbrook Pool for their monthly swim.

Most of the pool staff has left, except for two female lifeguards, who on this day will be on duty for the next two hours.

The women and children — all Muslims — have been swimming in private once a month at Meadowbrook as part of a program organized by the North Seattle Family Center.

Because Islam requires Muslim women to fully cover themselves in public, swimming in pools or the ocean is largely off-limits for many.

But across the Puget Sound area, that's starting to change as public and private pools at times are sending home their male staff members, covering up their windows and allowing women of faith to swim alone and in private...

Access to these pools is not free; the groups, like all others that use these facilities, pay a rental fee....

(Excerpt) Read more at seattletimes.nwsource.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: bathingbaathists; bleeding; dhimmitude; falsemodesty; heart; in; islam; liberalapologists; liberals; liberalweakness; modesty; muslim; muslimamericans; muslimwomen; privacy; purdah; religionofpeace; religionoftolerance; seattle; sharia; socialprocess; swimming; trop; ussacrifice; women
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To: Mrs. Don-o

We'll just have to agree on disagreeing on this particular matter and move on.

Have a good day, M'dear.

:)


401 posted on 07/21/2005 5:39:30 AM PDT by SunnySide (Ephes2:8 ByGraceYou'veBeenSavedThruFaithAGiftOfGodSoNoOneCanBoast)
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To: Eagle Eye

" I have been assured that what is beneath the habbiyah may be little or nothing, even in public."

OMG! You mean they really are ((( flashers ))) in waiting?!!


kidding ;)



402 posted on 07/21/2005 5:40:50 AM PDT by SunnySide (Ephes2:8 ByGraceYou'veBeenSavedThruFaithAGiftOfGodSoNoOneCanBoast)
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To: tiamat
They're obsessed with sex

Yep. So is our culture but we're the oppposite extreme.

403 posted on 07/21/2005 5:42:31 AM PDT by A Ruckus of Dogs
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To: SunnySide

Again, I have been assured that what they do at home is far different than what they do in public.

I have no problem with that.

They even have reserved areas in restaurants for families, no single males allowed.

Also there are family days and times when single males are not allowed at certain stores or events. It just makes it kind of hard for a single expat to shop or find entertainment on those days. My solution was plutonic dates. That also kept the female friend from being unescorted in public.


404 posted on 07/21/2005 5:48:09 AM PDT by Eagle Eye (Those who do are more likely to do so than those that don't.)
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To: Eagle Eye

"Also there are family days and times when single males are not allowed at certain stores or events. It just makes it kind of hard for a single expat to shop or find entertainment on those days. My solution was plutonic dates. That also kept the female friend from being unescorted in public."

Geez, too many conditions and restrictions for this Freedom Girl. Like life isn't difficult enough. No thanks.



405 posted on 07/21/2005 5:51:15 AM PDT by SunnySide (Ephes2:8 ByGraceYou'veBeenSavedThruFaithAGiftOfGodSoNoOneCanBoast)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Where'd you get that? Read the article! The article plainly stated it was open to all women, Jewish and Christian included.

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Gee, the article I read says: 'The women and children, all muslim..."

406 posted on 07/21/2005 5:57:15 AM PDT by wtc911 (see my profile for how to contribute to a pentagon heroes fund)
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To: highlander_UW

its the law of unintended consequences. with a diverse society any law or application of laws will have unintended consequences.

parsing the application of law is actually against the basic theory of American Law.....either there is equal protection under the Law, and equal application of the Law, or their isn't.

this is now destined to conflict with Islamic Law, which sets different stantards for men and women.


407 posted on 07/21/2005 6:02:35 AM PDT by kralcmot (my tagline died with Terri)
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To: dervish
Their concern for life and safety over modesty is not impressive to me.

I still recall the Saudi Arabian girls who were not permitted to exit a school on fire in less than full covering and thus died.

I also remember fights over ID pictures on US driver's licences.

These people are simply incompatible with, and impossible to absorb into, western culture.

We're nuts to be trying.

408 posted on 07/21/2005 6:05:40 AM PDT by iconoclast (If you only read ONE book this year, make sure it's Colonel David Hunt's !!!)
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To: wtc911
Tuesday, July 19, 2005 - Preserving modesty, in the pool By Lornet Turnbull At the Everett Family YMCA, women of different faith — "Muslim, Jewish and Christian — come together for twice-monthly swims through a program organized three years ago by Interfaith Association of Snohomish County.

Karen Fagerberg, associate executive director of the Everett Family YMCA, said that on a slow day they see four people, and on a busy day 30-plus. "The program is not just for Muslim women, but Christians and Jewish women, too.

"That's nice. It's not segregated but brings Christians, Muslims and Jews to socialize together and play together."

It's from the article. Always helps if you read it first.

409 posted on 07/21/2005 6:09:11 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Credo in Unam, Sanctam, Catholicam, et Apostolicam Ecclesiam)
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To: iconoclast

"These people are simply incompatible with, and impossible to absorb into, western culture.

We're nuts to be trying."


Precisely. They intend to remain eastern and us remain western, of course there will never be any assimilation from either side. We westerners are foolish for being the only side that tries, is willing to absorb when they are not ever willing to meet us half way.


410 posted on 07/21/2005 6:12:05 AM PDT by SunnySide (Ephes2:8 ByGraceYou'veBeenSavedThruFaithAGiftOfGodSoNoOneCanBoast)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I read the entire article and the pool you reference is not the one that is the subject of the article, about which it clearly states, "all muslim". Try to keep it real.


411 posted on 07/21/2005 6:13:44 AM PDT by wtc911 (see my profile for how to contribute to a pentagon heroes fund)
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To: wtc911
My error. One was Seattle, the other was Everett. Sorry.

But I don't see why anybody would want to bar a group from a particular church, mosque, or synagogue from signing up for the pool on a rental basis, just like any other group. Private use. Equal access. Freedom of contract. There have been dozens of posts making this point.

412 posted on 07/21/2005 6:35:51 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Credo in Unam, Sanctam, Catholicam, et Apostolicam Ecclesiam)
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To: SunnySide

I really didn't mind it all that much. In fact, I could appreciate segregating families from the single men.


413 posted on 07/21/2005 6:39:34 AM PDT by Eagle Eye (Those who do are more likely to do so than those that don't.)
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To: DameAutour

The long (loose) garb actually helps shield from the sun.


414 posted on 07/21/2005 6:40:35 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (No wonder the Southern Baptist Church threw Greer out: Only one god per church! [Ann Coulter])
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To: Khepera

Be carefull what you ask for.....some of these are some fugly ol hairy women missing teeth.

ROFL


415 posted on 07/21/2005 6:49:13 AM PDT by halfright (3 Days post Hanoi Jane....2200 Meeting of the band of brothers to piss on her grave...Semper Fi...)
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To: brownsfan
You think it's rather nice to be completly segregated


All muslims should segregated.


...internment camps would be better.
416 posted on 07/21/2005 6:53:35 AM PDT by dagoofyfoot
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To: halfright

oh I get to pick and choose my playmates and I didn't mean to choose from this group.


417 posted on 07/21/2005 7:16:19 AM PDT by Khepera (Do not remove by penalty of law!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
"Fatima... do you think this Speedo burka makes my ass look big?"
418 posted on 07/21/2005 7:19:53 AM PDT by Ditto ( No trees were killed in sending this message, but billions of electrons were inconvenienced.)
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To: Ditto

And thus this discussion bottoms out...


419 posted on 07/21/2005 7:38:59 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Credo in Unam, Sanctam, Catholicam, et Apostolicam Ecclesiam)
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To: SunnySide
You seem intent on denying me my right to my opinion.

I regret having offended your delicate sensitivities with a single, sarcastic line in a single post.

420 posted on 07/21/2005 7:46:33 AM PDT by delacoert (imperat animus corpori, et paretur statim: imperat animus sibi, et resistitur. -AUGUSTINI)
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