Posted on 07/19/2005 1:03:41 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
It's Saturday evening, the end of a hot day, and a group of women and children have gathered at North Seattle's Meadowbrook Pool for their monthly swim.
Most of the pool staff has left, except for two female lifeguards, who on this day will be on duty for the next two hours.
The women and children — all Muslims — have been swimming in private once a month at Meadowbrook as part of a program organized by the North Seattle Family Center.
Because Islam requires Muslim women to fully cover themselves in public, swimming in pools or the ocean is largely off-limits for many.
But across the Puget Sound area, that's starting to change as public and private pools at times are sending home their male staff members, covering up their windows and allowing women of faith to swim alone and in private...
Access to these pools is not free; the groups, like all others that use these facilities, pay a rental fee....
(Excerpt) Read more at seattletimes.nwsource.com ...
"Following are excerpts from a Friday sermon by Dr. Abd Al-Rahman Al-Sudayyis"
ie., Al Rahman-oodle Al-SudsyWudsy said, warble...woosh..argh.snort..pFFFFT! Then asks his assistant to page wife number 32 and have her retrieve his foot lotion, 3 candy bars and a copy of (shhhh.. it's secret) XXX Iraqi smacky.
These primal goons masquerading as men are sooooooo transparent.
Last week my church (non-denominational Christian) held a fellowship meeting at a county park. We met in a pinic pavillion that is certainly subsidized by tax dollars. In addition to eating and playing bocci, we also held a prayer service (religiuos observance). Was it wrong for a tax dollar subsidized facility to have been made available to us for our use?
If a mosque had made similar arrangements with the park to use those same facilities for similar purposes, would it have been right to deny the use of this tax dollar subsidized facility to them?
"Was it wrong for a tax dollar subsidized facility to have been made available to us for our use?"
No, considering YOU and your congregation "chose" to attend the event in clothes you weren't FORCED to wear and eat food of your choice and play a game that had nothing to do with your religion. Try doing all of that while being an oppressed muslim female.
Your objection to those "quaint" customs is noted.
The attempt to use your objection to those "quaint" customs as justification to ban allowable private use of swimming pools is rejected.
How would you change the wording of the Seattle Parks and Recreation Non-discrimination and Facilities Rental Guide to prevent these dangerous Muslim women from using the facilities?
Let's help those oppressed muslim females out by denying them their group outing to the pool. :rolleyes:
I KNOW that these issues are not relevant to my comment, to which you specifically responded and intimated that I am okay with the Wahabi Mutawuin. Of whom, incidentally, I have personal knowledge and with whom, I am definitely not okay.
But that is beside my point when I simply mention that I have encountered numerous Muslim women swimming in their chador and hijab and how incredibly uncomfortable that must be.
In many Muslim countries, even the restaurants have "family dining" areas which are individually curtained off so that a woman might dine with her family without outsiders seeing her uncover her face to eat. Extreme, perhaps, but that's the way it is.
I have also been in "women only" areas such as restrooms and I can tell you that in private, these women whip off their coverings and they are beautifully dressed and made up. Obviously, they do seek to be attractive, just not publicly. They would expose themselves even to an obviously Western woman such as myself (blonde hair, blue eyes--no way I can pass!). It's not a Muslim vs. Infidel thing for them, at least not for the women.
Of course I have a problem with the concept of men being so horribly animalistic that they simply cannot control themselves around a woman. But frankly, that is not my experience at all. Except when I am in Saudi Arabia, I do not cover myself, although I do dress extremely conservatively. In any other Middle Eastern country I have been in, I have not ever had a problem with a Muslim man giving me a hard time or coming on to me. I've had much more trouble with overt comments and leers in France, Italy, Mexico, Spain and even Germany! In the Middle East, the comments I've had from men have been from the non-Muslim TCN's.
Discrimination? Discrimination happens all the time.
I cannot enter a supermarket in Vermont with Bare Feet because of health concerns of our State government. Yet it is part of my culture to go barefoot in the summer.Woe is me, I am discriminated against! ( Yech! I)
The question is whether discrimination is illegal.
Look, the fact is that we are too accomodating towards a culture that has proven that its basic tenants seek to destroy the very humanistic values you espouse, by using them against you.
That is idiocy, not understanding.
Go to Riyadh, and try to walk down the street in a halter top and see how much understanding you get.
Like we are : Oh the poor witch from the tale Sleeping Beauty, she wants to pick apples in our orchard! Even though we know many of her witch friends poison these apples she gives to them, we understand her culture and want her to change and be a nice person, besides, she is unlikely ever to poison an apple again, not all witches are the same. There are moderate witches too, most of them are you know.......blah, blah, blah. ( Yech! II)
When Muslims come to America they need to become Americans politically and culturally, that is the cost of the religious freedom we all enjoy. Enough of this psycho-social babble about accomodating the Islamic nation.
If they want to manifest the cultural preferences of purdah and sharia, they can do it at home like all other Americans do in equivalent circumstances.
That picture is just sick. (post 366) How anyone cannot see the obscenity of it boggles my mind.
If you have been in the desert with tempertatures in excess of 100 degrees, you would find that the layers of cotton clothing of native dress actually keep you cool through an isulation effect. There is also a wicking effect of perspiration which cools also.
Heavt Clothing in such conditions does not equal
suffering, it actually helps a lot to cope with heat.
Muhammad worshiping women got nothing to be modest about. Brainwashed, yes. Ugly and cow-like stupid, yes? Muhammadan baby factories for the demographic Jihad, yes!!!!
And your tender concern and courageous protection of oppressed Mulsim females on a hot Saturday night amounts to ---what? Barring them from the swimming pool?
I agree.
"Let's help those oppressed muslim females out by denying them their group outing to the pool." :rolleyes:
Has anyone stopped them from using the pool? No. I haven't nor do I intend to. You seem intent on denying me my right to my opinion. Hello Pot Kettle. All head in the sand complacement citizens in America do is enable the muslim womens male masters. All complacent people do in America is allow the slow leak of objectification and oppression inside our country which did away with slavery years ago. You seem confused.
And your tender concern and courageous interest in my opinion about oppressed Muslim females on a hot Saturday night amounts to ---what? Barring me from making comments about them? Hello Pot Kettle.
"Russia’s Female Muslims Demand Separate Black Sea Beach"
First of all: "tenets." (I can't help myself. I'm a teacher.)
And second, if I preemptively abandon my "humanistic" values, I lose. But I choose not to lose. I choose not to abandon my "values." I choose to treat people --- yes, even Muslims --- as fairly as I can. It has something to do with the way I was raised. You can say "humanistic" if you want, but my choice of adjectives would run toward "Christian," "Western," "American."
If the Seattle Dept. of Parks and Recreation chooses to accommodate a couple of privacy-seeking mamas in lady-of-Fatima swimsuits, just as it accommodates the nudist groups (which it does) I don't see how that constitutes a threat to American National Security or Western Civilization.
This is not the imposition of Shari'a in Seattle. In fact, maybe the gals'll get enough physical strength and confidence out of the deal to look their husbands right in the eye and say, "Bermuda shorts, baby --- and I don't mean maybe."
I'm there to cheer 'em on.
I never said one word about barring you--- or anybody else! Not even implied! Good heavens, what in the world are you talking about?
Eloquent!
In the mideast they are not required to cover up at the beach.
And, FYI, the lingerie stores at some of the malls carry fancy nighties that would make Fredericks of Hollywood blush!
I have been assured that what is beneath the habbiyah may be little or nothing, even in public.
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