Posted on 07/19/2005 1:03:41 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
It's Saturday evening, the end of a hot day, and a group of women and children have gathered at North Seattle's Meadowbrook Pool for their monthly swim.
Most of the pool staff has left, except for two female lifeguards, who on this day will be on duty for the next two hours.
The women and children — all Muslims — have been swimming in private once a month at Meadowbrook as part of a program organized by the North Seattle Family Center.
Because Islam requires Muslim women to fully cover themselves in public, swimming in pools or the ocean is largely off-limits for many.
But across the Puget Sound area, that's starting to change as public and private pools at times are sending home their male staff members, covering up their windows and allowing women of faith to swim alone and in private...
Access to these pools is not free; the groups, like all others that use these facilities, pay a rental fee....
(Excerpt) Read more at seattletimes.nwsource.com ...
shomer tzinus?
"I think that Islam is political under the guise of a "religion"..."
If we review the history of the 100 years between the death of Mohammed and the Battle of Tours in northern France in the Year of Our Lord 732, we could make a great case for the validity of your comment. Muslims played by different rules during that 100 years and achieved a momentum of conquests.
My gym has a women's only section that i can't enter though I pay the same fee as the women, meanwhile the women are not forbidden from using the rest of the gym.
Yes, there is a double standard when it comes to women feeling "comfortable" but it predates this group renting the pool and pertains to everyone, not just muslims.
I disagree with this policy, because you who believe that you are bringing American Muslim women into freedom through pool privacy are wrong. What you have here is the beginning social process of having Americans accept the law of sharia and its associated regime of purda. If Muslims want to observe their social laws, they need to do it in their own private swimming pools.
Anyone who sees this " Muslim women modesty " as a good thing do not understand the context. The same laws of purdah and sharia are also used to keep women from having drivers licenses in Saudi Arabia, to be unable to open bank accounts, and to keep women as property of their husbands. You actually are accdepting and reenforcing purdah in our own sociewty. Screw that!
The thinking is apologist and all wrong on the issue generally.Especially the removal of male life guards.
This is sick and unfairly prejudicial against men!
Don't let Mohammed come to the pool. Make the pool come to Mohammed! Mohammed needs to be an American. So does his"modest" wife and children.
Last time I checked, Muslim ladies in Victorian swimwsuits weren't blowing up Seattle swimming pools.
Does the Judeo-Christian ethic and/or Western Culture and/or the American system of justice impute guilt on a group basis, across the board and without reference to individual responsibility?
Or is it just you?
"If I want to go to my local public pool and jump in with my pants and shirt on, they won't let me do it. If I can't, why can these folks do it?"
Excellent point.
I don't have a problem with this, as long as they pay the same as every other group.
Firstly, I don't have a problem with them renting the pool for this as a private function if, just as you say, they pay what every other group does. But I disagree that one religious observance should be disallowed over another. If the Church group that wanted to use the pool for a private function wanted to use it for a baptism what does that matter? It's not being done privately, and it's not being endorsed by the city. So why would you allow one religious observance over another? Seems inconsistent to me.
different pool? different policy?
No peeing in pool
No Smoking in pool
Must remove bombs and bomb vest before entering pool
BUMP!
Go to your local pool and say to them "I see that you rent the pool out to groups. I have always wanted to jump in a pool with my clothes on, could I rent the pool to do so some evening?"
Will they say no?
"I have no problem with this... modesty an underappreciated virtue these days"
Sure, it's fine if you're a man but make the women suffocate in nasty burqua rags in 90% degree summers. Get a grip.
I don't recall which pool it was, but I assume you're right in saying it's not the same one. But the principle is the same in that one public pool is allowing a practice of religious observance and not allowing another. As I recall from the article about the church group, they were only denied once the city officials learned they intended to do baptisms at their private function. Are all religious observances forbidden on public property even when that property is rented for a private function? Going to cancel weddings in public locations if there is a prayer involved? how about banning funerals and prayers at public cemeteries?
Ha ha! I like that! A pool that's actually within walking distance of my house, has an old ladies' low-impact aerobic pool fitness group. I joined it (when I was pregnant, not geriatric) and really enjoyed being around ladies who had bulges, bobbles, and sags!
C'mon, you guys. Give us a break.
"Yes, there is a double standard when it comes to women feeling "comfortable" but it predates this group renting the pool and pertains to everyone, not just muslims."
That's only if it's not challenged. Women reporters in male locker rooms. Girls in boys wrestling at school. The PC crowd is totally against any recognition of gender. If you hadn't noticed, there is a war going on, and I am in no frame of mind to give these people, (muslims), an inch.
Another post said something to the effect, if I go to a public pool and want to jump in fully clothed, I can't. Why should we accomodate them in such a way?
This is not a simple thing, it's multi level. It's muslims trying to islamify america. You seem to be agreeable.
"Boy, killing 3000 Americans in broad daylight works, doesn't it."
(sarcasm) You mean you weren't informed? The twin towers wasn't murder, It was (PC) merely a threat.
"What's next, segregated sections for women in eateries and other public places?"
Don't laugh, it's happening already. Americans are too flippin dumbed down to care. They're like cattle being driven off a cliff.
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