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Could the same thing happen here? (re: London bombings)
TownHall.com ^ | Wednesday, July 13, 2005 | by Linda Chavez

Posted on 07/13/2005 1:19:18 AM PDT by JohnHuang2

As details emerge about the terrorists who struck London's mass transit system last week, many people are questioning how four young men who had lived in Great Britain all or most of their lives could turn into fanatics capable of killing their fellow Britons for the cause of radical Islam. Although their names have not yet been released, three of the men are believed to have lived in a predominantly Muslim neighborhood in Leeds, some 200 miles north of London. Yet these men considered their fellow countrymen infidels and enemies whom they wanted to kill in the most vicious manner. Could the same thing happen here?

The U.S. has already suffered a devastating attack on September 11, 2001, and may again become a target. A new CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll shows that 55 percent of Americans believe we will be hit again, perhaps in the next few weeks. But when most Americans think about the terrorist threat, they envision it coming, as it did before, from abroad. None of the September 11th jihadists was American-born or raised, nor were their predecessors, the men who killed six persons and injured many more in the first World Trade Center bombings in 1993. Americans were attacked by men who came here with the express purpose of killing us, not by home-grown terrorists.

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But the London bombings appear to be different. England has a huge problem with large, unassimilated and hostile Moslem communities. According to Peter Bergen, author of "Holy War, Inc.: Inside the Secret World of Osama bin Laden," a British government report last year estimated that 10,000 to 15,000 British Muslims support al Qaeda and other terrorist groups, and somewhere between 300 and 600 of these trained in terrorist camps in Afghanistan before the Taliban was overthrown. Even in the face of this threat, Britain has been reluctant to crack down on the most extreme hate-mongers in its Muslim populations. Only after tremendous pressure, for example, did the government decide to prosecute a radical cleric, Abu Hamza al-Masri, for inciting murder, though he had openly preached violence for years to young men -- including Zacarias Moussaoui, the so-called 20th hijacker, and attempted shoe-bomber Richard Reid -- before police finally arrested al-Masri last year.

As Middle-East expert Daniel Pipes reported recently, "British-based terrorists have carried out operations in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Kenya, Tanzania, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Israel, Morocco, Russia, Spain, and America. Many governments -- Jordanian, Egyptian, Moroccan, Spanish, French, and American -- have protested London's refusal to shut down its Islamist terrorist infrastructure or extradite wanted operatives." So why has Great Britain gone wobbly in cracking down on radical Islamists in its midst? Pipes gives some insight in describing an incident at Denbigh High School in Luton, a town 30 miles outside London -- a site where Tuesday police found a car loaded with explosives that may be related to the London bombings.

"Denbigh," writes Pipes, "has a student population that is about 80 percent Muslim. Years ago, it accommodated the sartorial needs of their faith and heritage, including a female student uniform made up of the Pakistani shalwar kameez trousers, a jerkin top, and hijab head covering. But when a teenager of Bangladeshi origins, Shabina Begum, insisted in 2004 on wearing a jilbab, which covers the entire body except for the face and hands, Denbigh administrators said no."

The case ended up in court, and Ms. Begum won the right to wear the jilbab, hailed at the time as "a victory for all Muslims who wish to preserve their identity and values despite prejudice and bigotry" by her lawyer at the appellate level -- none other than Prime Minister Tony Blair's wife, Cherie Booth.

Britons seem to have given up on assimilating their Muslim population, with many British elites patting themselves on the back for their tolerance and multiculturalism. Meanwhile, an increasing number of Muslim youth in Great Britain grow more alienated and hostile to their adopted country. Obviously there is a big leap from wearing the jilbab to blowing up trains, but it would be naive not to recognize that a fanatical brand of Islam -- unchallenged and unchecked -- is at the root of both.


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21 posted on 07/13/2005 1:55:04 AM PDT by Cindy
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22 posted on 07/13/2005 2:03:48 AM PDT by Cindy
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To: balch3

"If it does happen here, the left and the MSM (along with some disgruntled conservatives, sad to say) will try to hang the blame on President Bush."

If it happens and can be proved the evil-doers came in across our unsecure borders after 9/11/2001, he will deserve blame.


23 posted on 07/13/2005 2:05:45 AM PDT by truth_seeker
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24 posted on 07/13/2005 2:25:09 AM PDT by Cindy
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25 posted on 07/13/2005 2:38:22 AM PDT by Cindy
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To: Hank Rearden

Hank,

You've got it all wrong!

Bush is/was never a messenger of peace. Neither was the Amercian Govt.

This is all result of financing Osama & his gang in Afghanistan & similar people in Saudi, Paki-Land, Riyadh, etc.

While assuming that "Frankenstien monster is a good pet in the neighbourhood, but shall not attack my country".

Hope real sense comes to the European & American politicans & the moronic Satanic Islamic Terrorists.


26 posted on 07/13/2005 2:50:54 AM PDT by scgupta (For a better world)
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To: JohnHuang2

Article snippet: "Could the same thing happen here?"

That's a very good question.


27 posted on 07/13/2005 2:51:57 AM PDT by Cindy
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To: JohnHuang2

Muslims will eventually go after royalty in Britain. Will that wake up the PC crowd?


28 posted on 07/13/2005 2:54:32 AM PDT by hershey
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To: JohnHuang2; All
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29 posted on 07/13/2005 3:21:48 AM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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To: JohnHuang2

This is the tip of the iceberg, We have the same problems here it just hasnt happened yet. Islamics arent trying to be Americans or Brits they came in here to destroy our way of life ane we need to wake up before its too late.


30 posted on 07/13/2005 4:05:28 AM PDT by sgtbono2002
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To: JohnHuang2
England has a huge problem with large, unassimilated and hostile Moslem communities.

It is my understanding that entry into England by uncontrolled numbers of Muslims is due to 'their right' as citizens of the former British Empire and/or current British Commonwealth. If that is the case there is nothing England can do until they change their laws.

What is our excuse? What 'rights' do hostile Muslims and their sympathizers/enablers have to gain entry to our shore to cause havoc and bedlam. Arguments will be made that all Muslims are not jihadists. Granted, as all our military are not combat troops. For each combatant, many more are needed in support roles and that is what the general Muslim population provides, support, in the form of cover and sanctuary.

31 posted on 07/13/2005 4:46:44 AM PDT by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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To: Hank Rearden

If terrorists start terrorism like that in Israel, the time will come when Americans address the Islamic problem.

The American government will not be needed.


32 posted on 07/13/2005 7:59:17 AM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: Cindy

Jihad IS WWIII


33 posted on 07/13/2005 8:01:09 AM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: AFPhys

I was wondering if we need a mosque watch thread. We need to be watching their every move.


34 posted on 07/13/2005 8:20:04 AM PDT by txhurl
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To: JohnHuang2

Hello? It has already happened here. Remember 9/11? AND it was a lot worse than the Brits got it. Will happen again? Most likely if we do not change our border tatics and quick.


35 posted on 07/13/2005 8:28:24 AM PDT by calex59
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To: All

Now that UK & USA is squirming under Islamic militants; Ever thought of What it is like for Kashmiri people?

Lakhs rendered homeless. 1000s killed & decimated (includes childcren & old people) Why? B'coz Osama did not have any work after Soviets quit Afghanistan.

Its time USA stopped toppling govts & funding terrorists!
Its time the world is united to clean ourselves of the real danger!

Or does it sound Greek & Latin to all you guys out there?


36 posted on 07/13/2005 11:06:49 AM PDT by scgupta (For a better world)
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