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Could the same thing happen here? (re: London bombings)
TownHall.com ^ | Wednesday, July 13, 2005 | by Linda Chavez

Posted on 07/13/2005 1:19:18 AM PDT by JohnHuang2

As details emerge about the terrorists who struck London's mass transit system last week, many people are questioning how four young men who had lived in Great Britain all or most of their lives could turn into fanatics capable of killing their fellow Britons for the cause of radical Islam. Although their names have not yet been released, three of the men are believed to have lived in a predominantly Muslim neighborhood in Leeds, some 200 miles north of London. Yet these men considered their fellow countrymen infidels and enemies whom they wanted to kill in the most vicious manner. Could the same thing happen here?

The U.S. has already suffered a devastating attack on September 11, 2001, and may again become a target. A new CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll shows that 55 percent of Americans believe we will be hit again, perhaps in the next few weeks. But when most Americans think about the terrorist threat, they envision it coming, as it did before, from abroad. None of the September 11th jihadists was American-born or raised, nor were their predecessors, the men who killed six persons and injured many more in the first World Trade Center bombings in 1993. Americans were attacked by men who came here with the express purpose of killing us, not by home-grown terrorists.

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But the London bombings appear to be different. England has a huge problem with large, unassimilated and hostile Moslem communities. According to Peter Bergen, author of "Holy War, Inc.: Inside the Secret World of Osama bin Laden," a British government report last year estimated that 10,000 to 15,000 British Muslims support al Qaeda and other terrorist groups, and somewhere between 300 and 600 of these trained in terrorist camps in Afghanistan before the Taliban was overthrown. Even in the face of this threat, Britain has been reluctant to crack down on the most extreme hate-mongers in its Muslim populations. Only after tremendous pressure, for example, did the government decide to prosecute a radical cleric, Abu Hamza al-Masri, for inciting murder, though he had openly preached violence for years to young men -- including Zacarias Moussaoui, the so-called 20th hijacker, and attempted shoe-bomber Richard Reid -- before police finally arrested al-Masri last year.

As Middle-East expert Daniel Pipes reported recently, "British-based terrorists have carried out operations in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Kenya, Tanzania, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Israel, Morocco, Russia, Spain, and America. Many governments -- Jordanian, Egyptian, Moroccan, Spanish, French, and American -- have protested London's refusal to shut down its Islamist terrorist infrastructure or extradite wanted operatives." So why has Great Britain gone wobbly in cracking down on radical Islamists in its midst? Pipes gives some insight in describing an incident at Denbigh High School in Luton, a town 30 miles outside London -- a site where Tuesday police found a car loaded with explosives that may be related to the London bombings.

"Denbigh," writes Pipes, "has a student population that is about 80 percent Muslim. Years ago, it accommodated the sartorial needs of their faith and heritage, including a female student uniform made up of the Pakistani shalwar kameez trousers, a jerkin top, and hijab head covering. But when a teenager of Bangladeshi origins, Shabina Begum, insisted in 2004 on wearing a jilbab, which covers the entire body except for the face and hands, Denbigh administrators said no."

The case ended up in court, and Ms. Begum won the right to wear the jilbab, hailed at the time as "a victory for all Muslims who wish to preserve their identity and values despite prejudice and bigotry" by her lawyer at the appellate level -- none other than Prime Minister Tony Blair's wife, Cherie Booth.

Britons seem to have given up on assimilating their Muslim population, with many British elites patting themselves on the back for their tolerance and multiculturalism. Meanwhile, an increasing number of Muslim youth in Great Britain grow more alienated and hostile to their adopted country. Obviously there is a big leap from wearing the jilbab to blowing up trains, but it would be naive not to recognize that a fanatical brand of Islam -- unchallenged and unchecked -- is at the root of both.


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1 posted on 07/13/2005 1:19:19 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: F15Eagle

If it does happen here, the left and the MSM (along with some disgruntled conservatives, sad to say) will try to hang the blame on President Bush.


3 posted on 07/13/2005 1:23:32 AM PDT by balch3
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Could the same thing happen here?

It already did(9/11), and will happen again probably sometime soon given the fact that they like to wait a few years between operations.

4 posted on 07/13/2005 1:23:38 AM PDT by Echo Talon (http://echotalon.blogspot.com)
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To: JohnHuang2

"Britons seem to have given up on assimilating their Muslim population, with many British elites patting themselves on the back for their tolerance and multiculturalism."

Appeasement doesn't work!

When there is hostility to assimulating - WATCH OUT!
Coupled with appeasement - you're in deep do-do.
Just look at how our language, English struggles to be dominate. Spainish is EVERYWHERE - a RED FLAG.


5 posted on 07/13/2005 1:29:09 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: F15Eagle

Agreed!

Since liberals don't think ... expect the same to happen here eventually. Liberals will continue to believe that that won't happen here IF we continue to accomodate these animals.


6 posted on 07/13/2005 1:30:17 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: JohnHuang2
The problem, as always, is the death-cult Islam.

So when (not if - when) similar suicide attacks occur here - are we going to put up with PC bullsqueeze or are we going to address the problem?

Personally, I think the answer will depend on how many die over what span of time. Sadly, it'll be status quo if it's "just" a schoolbus or two - more calls for "tolerance", more "religion of peace" crap from Bush, etc.

8 posted on 07/13/2005 1:33:50 AM PDT by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: JohnHuang2; All

So finaly you guys have woken up to reality.

Good Morning!


9 posted on 07/13/2005 1:34:53 AM PDT by scgupta (For a better world)
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To: F15Eagle

I think it's not a matter of "IF" but "WHEN".



You beat me to it!


10 posted on 07/13/2005 1:35:17 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (LET ME DIE ON MY FEET IN MY SWAMP, ALEX KOZINSKI FOR SCOTUS)
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ON THE NET...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1440941/posts

http://www.truthusa.com/911news.html
http://www.truthusa.com/911.html


11 posted on 07/13/2005 1:38:17 AM PDT by Cindy
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To: JohnHuang2

The Brits are, for the moment, hobbled by leftist PC policies, but we must not forget that they do not have a Bill of Rights. At some point the moslems in England will find themsleves to be totally screwed.

I can't wait.


12 posted on 07/13/2005 1:38:29 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (J.Y. Chen, Chinese paleontologist)
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To: JohnHuang2
I live in Oklahoma City and I'm here to tell you home-grown terrorism is alive and well. They may not have been Muslim, but its proof that "we can grow our own"----Muslim or otherwise!
15 posted on 07/13/2005 1:44:41 AM PDT by singfreedom ("Victory at all costs,.......for without victory there is no survival."--Churchill--that's "Winston")
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ON THE NET...


WorldNetDaily.com - Cyber Jihad: "INTERNET HOST OF TERROR SITES PLAYS ELECTRONIC SHELL GAME Company Helping Radical Muslim Groups Tries to Hide by Changing Web ID, Location" by Jeremy Reynalds (June 4, 2005)
MEMRI.org - Special Dispatch Series - No. 909: "BAHRAINI AUTHOR AND JOURNALIST: THE PROPONENTS OF THE SUICIDE IDEOLOGY HAVE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF GLOBAL COMMUNICATIONS" (ARTICLE SNIPPET: "In an article that appeared in the Saudi daily Al-Yawm, titled "The Globalization of Islamic Suicide" author and journalist Sawsan Al-Sha'er wrote that the extremist Islamist groups are taking advantage of global communications to recruit suicide bombers, and predicted the spread of the suicide bomber phenomenon to Britain as well.") (May 17, 2005)
CNN.com: "TERROR MOVES TO THE VIRTUAL WORLD" by Diana Muriel (ARTICLE SNIPPET: "Israeli terror analyst Reuven Paz believes the Internet has become the primary communication tool for al Qaeda.") (April 20, 2004)


MEMRI.org - MIDDLE EAST MEDIA RESEARCH INSTITUTE Special Dispatch Series No. 741: "HAMAS SPOKESMAN ON UAE TV PROGRAM: ON THE RECRUITMENT AND TRAINING OF PALESTINIAN SUICIDE BOMBERS" (July 8, 2004)
MEMRI.org - MIDDLE EAST MEDIA RESEARCH INSTITUTE Special Dispatch Series - No. 686: "A TESTIMONY ON SUICIDE BOMBERS' RECRUITMENT TO ANSAR AL-ISLAM" (March 25, 2004)

16 posted on 07/13/2005 1:46:20 AM PDT by Cindy
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To: JohnHuang2

I'm amazed it hasn't happened again. It's not if, but when. Another major loss of life before the authorities get serious about cracking down on Islamo-fascist idiots. Maybe even libs will wake up, but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that.


17 posted on 07/13/2005 1:50:57 AM PDT by driftless ( For life-long happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: JohnHuang2

Nah, if we see anything from native born American mohammedens it'll be more John Mohammed/Lee Malvo-s.


18 posted on 07/13/2005 1:51:06 AM PDT by papertyger (There are three kinds of people in the world. - Gary Johnson, Actor)
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To: Echo Talon
It already did(9/11),...

Actually, it started (at a bare minimum) in 1993 with the first WTC bombing. (Of course, WJC had things totally under control so there was nothing to worry about. Yeah, right. Do I even need a '/sarcasm' tag?)

19 posted on 07/13/2005 1:51:30 AM PDT by Bob
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To: JohnHuang2

Exactly as I have said in previous posts.


20 posted on 07/13/2005 1:51:44 AM PDT by OKIEDOC (LL THE)
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