Posted on 07/11/2005 5:27:52 PM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
Top editors of the NY TIMES made the decision Monday afternoon to turn up the heat on White House adviser Karl Rove.
The TIMES is planning to lead with calls for Rove's resignation, newsroom sources tell the DRUDGE REPORT. MORE...
"Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, outside the Beltway understands this story, much less cares about it. I barely understand it, and I'm somewhat of a political / legal junky. "
LOL, so true.
The truth.
Sometimes it is not about winning. I am amazed at the spin put out by MSM.
Cosider this:
Cooper (who writes words for a living) styled his words carefully Friday. He led the world to believe that Rove called him personally that morning and released him from the bonds of confidentiality. And poor little wuss did it with such emotion, such cowardice. His affect was not consistent with someone standing up for what he thought was right. His affect was that of a coward.
I believe (but cannot prove) recent events are connected:
O'Donnell scooping the scoop.
Cooper lying (by ommission or falsely representing facts, knowing what the average person would conclude, IOW a lie). That POS lied to the entire country, just like Clinton did (I did not have sex...)
NYT's "editorial" decision
Newsweek's artcle.
Nothing, I repeat NOTHING, happens in a vaccum in DC.
What better way to undermine the President during a SCOTUS fight? Sounds good, but that is not the reason.
There are people in power, people with unlimited resources who want to destroy Bush before he leaves the Oval Office. They will do anything to achieve that goal.
Would Judith Miller go to jail for that?
I want someone in DC, someone with an R after the name to stand up and say "Yeah, Rove will resign as soon as Leahy does." Or "Rove will do time when Teddy does." I demand it. I deserve it. Every citizen in this country deserves it. Expose them all. Each and every one.
This is personal now. It should be personal to us all.
I am not the idiot MSM thinks I am. I am pissed and pissed to the nth degree. I am not stupid. I refuse to wear the stupid label. This is not about winning....This is about truth.
Red State.org has a great read on the issue of Rove.
Joe Wilson: Lying Liar who Tells Lies
A Reminder
By: Leon H · Section: Democrats
http://www.redstate.org/story/2005/7/10/23368/2989
In the wake of the recent furor over the revelation that Karl Rove is very likely at least one of the sources who leaked the fact that Joe Wilson's wife was a CIA operative, it is important to remember who we are discussing when we talk about Joe Wilson and Valerie Plame.
In case anyone was still under the illusion that Joe Wilson was an innocent State Department official who is being persecuted for "being honest", and Valerie Plame was a noble CIA field agent whose career - nay, personal safety is now in jeopardy, it is worth our while to remember that subsequent revelations, accepted by a bipartisan Senate committee, have put those Known Facts clearly to rest.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A39834-2004Jul9.html?referrer=emailarticle
The WaPo explains below the fold that Joe Wilson lied about virtually everything he said in connection with Niger, and that his wife was also complicit in the falsity:
Jul 10th, 2005: 23:36:08
Former ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV, dispatched by the CIA in February 2002 to investigate reports that Iraq sought to reconstitute its nuclear weapons program with uranium from Africa, was specifically recommended for the mission by his wife, a CIA employee, contrary to what he has said publicly.
In other words, he lied about how he came to be in Niger in the first place, and his wife was further complicit in the lie.
Wilson's assertions -- both about what he found in Niger and what the Bush administration did with the information -- were undermined yesterday in a bipartisan Senate intelligence committee report.
The panel found that Wilson's report, rather than debunking intelligence about purported uranium sales to Iraq, as he has said, bolstered the case for most intelligence analysts. And contrary to Wilson's assertions and even the government's previous statements, the CIA did not tell the White House it had qualms about the reliability of the Africa intelligence that made its way into 16 fateful words in President Bush's January 2003 State of the Union address.
In other words, he lied about the conclusions of his own report, and further lied about the information that was given to President Bush on the matter.
The report said Plame told committee staffers that she relayed the CIA's request to her husband, saying, "there's this crazy report" about a purported deal for Niger to sell uranium to Iraq. The committee found Wilson had made an earlier trip to Niger in 1999 for the CIA, also at his wife's suggestion.
In other words, Plame had already made up her mind about the truthfulness of the report, and dispatched her husband to Niger not to investigate, but specifically to come back with debunking evidence. From the committee's report, the information Wilson returned with actually strengthened the administration's case, so he just lied about what its conclusions were to the press.
In the most stunning lie of all, the committee caught Wilson in a lie of "Christmas in Cambodia Under Nixon in '68" proportions:
The report also said Wilson provided misleading information to The Washington Post last June. He said then that he concluded the Niger intelligence was based on documents that had clearly been forged because "the dates were wrong and the names were wrong."
"Committee staff asked how the former ambassador could have come to the conclusion that the 'dates were wrong and the names were wrong' when he had never seen the CIA reports and had no knowledge of what names and dates were in the reports," the Senate panel said. Wilson told the panel he may have been confused and may have "misspoken" to reporters. The documents -- purported sales agreements between Niger and Iraq -- were not in U.S. hands until eight months after Wilson made his trip to Niger.
Whooops.
Indeed, Wilson's mendacity was so stunning that even the "Vast Right Wing Conspirators" at the Washington Post ultimately concluded that whoever leaked Plame's name was ultimately doing so to shed light on the fact that Wilson had no business being in Niger in the first place, and that a political agenda drove him there - rather than out of a vindictive desire to exact retribution on Wilson for exposing the truth:
The report may bolster the rationale that administration officials provided the information not to intentionally expose an undercover CIA employee, but to call into question Wilson's bona fides as an investigator into trafficking of weapons of mass destruction.
So let's review - Wilson lied about how he got to Niger, he lied about seeing a report that didn't even exist at the time, he lied about the conclusions of his own report(!), he lied about what the administration had been told, and his wife, Valerie Plame, specifically sent him on a mission to intentionally debunk a claim, not to find facts or perform inspections. I'd say the WaPo's conclusion is pretty sound on this one.
Also, it certainly gives life to the question of why the heck these two lied so darn much in absence of a clear and compelling political agenda driving their every move. Let's not rush to make these partisan hacks into saints - they attempted to cook the books against the administration and got busted for being the compulsive liars that they are. In the course of attempting to discredit the ludicrously false claims, someone in the White House (presumably Rove) told the press that Wilson was sent to Niger on dubious premises in the first place (the recommendation of his wife), without giving the name of Wilson's wife, which Rove apparently did not know.
When this story first broke on the scene, I thought that Rove should properly be banished from the administration team, despite the fact that even at that time it was pretty clear that no crime took place. However, given the serial and politically motivated lies of Wilson and Plame, it's clear that the fairy tale the liberals have constructed in which Plame was the heroic CIA agent unjustly outed by Arch-Demon Karl Rove is totally and completely false - and I won't be shedding any more tears about either of their fates.
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I agree with you 100% -- media conspiracy sounds right to me.
Orin. Yes. she was great. I think Chrissy boy was nervouse when she mentioned it.
Cooper published not one but two stories and had multiple sources. You're thinking of Miller. She did not write a story on this.
It's like a poorly written spy novel where the plot is so confusing and obtuse you're just relieved that the bad guys got caught In the end—although you are not sure how or why and you're completely sure you don't care.
Well, I had to vent on this issue some. It's consolation to know that these kooks are in full meltdown mode.
I think Cooper and Miller both have other journalist as some of their sources. And THAT is what Miller is protecting.
Plame was known for telling folks in the Beltway that she worked for the CIA.
And not it looks like National Review has located Wilson's bio that names his wife.
http://corner.nationalreview.com/05_07_10_corner-archive.asp#069182
ENOUGH JOE WILSON! [John Podhoretz]
Thanks, everybody, for the multiple copies of his bio. Check out the NYPost tomorrow for my use of it...
Posted at 04:40 PM
earlier-
http://corner.nationalreview.com/05_07_10_corner-archive.asp#069178
QUICK JOE WILSON BLEG [John Podhoretz]
Two years ago Joseph C. Wilson IV had a bio available online in which he mentioned his wife Valerie Plame's name. The bio has vanished. If anyone perchance saved it or a screenshot of it and can e-mail it to me, I'd be grateful. (PS: It's now 4:15 pm EDT. If you don't do it by 4:30, don't bother.)
Posted at 04:15 PM
"I doubt it would ever happen, but if the Times or some other large leftist newspaper did print something that was a lie"
IF???!!!! Hell, they do it every damn DAY.
"All the fish thats fit to wrap."
How else can these people make themselves feel important and powerful?
Yep that's what I thought. The law says "identity" not name. So those making noises over the distinction of whether Mr. Rove said her name or called her Joe Wilson's wife are ludicrous illogical moonbats echoing Clintonian talking points. That's all I've said. I can't blame them for not liking the comparison. Tough titty.
You think wrong.
The grand jury subpoena for Miller is in regard to a "specified government official".
As the Wilson bio, I've known about it and his listing his wife for almost two years now. Saw it with my own two eyes during that time. Why didn't Podhoretz? I'm glad he's finally caught a clue but I'm aggravated it took this long.
I was well aware that Podhoretz somehow finally became aware of it and, again as I already knew, the bio was offline. I was already further aware that he put out a request to readers to help and that they supplied copies.
Better late than never, I guess.
I've posted here long enough and frequently enough not to take any loyalty test from some swill swallowing moonbat seriously. Go piss off.
Yes, I agree. I also agree that my idea is a non-starter. Still, one can dream...
A whole town full of self-absorbed people who worry more about who's talked to who about what, and what parties they are being invited to than doing what's right for the country. MSM, CIA, State...the whole lot of 'em.
Little cogs, in a big machine, pretending to be important—but are only important if they can damage something.
Listen RC. If some cannot fathom on their own that revealing that it was "the Wife of a Wilson" is no different than revealing it was Plame they are never going to understand no matter how often you call them moonbats.
Unless of course you enjoy typing moonbat, you might want to save your keyboard from wear and tear.
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