Posted on 07/08/2005 9:00:29 AM PDT by freeper1995
Glen Jenvey worked for several military attachés covering terrorist groups, including al-Qaida and their members in Britain. His stings led to the capture of Abu Hamza al-Masri, a major terrorist and multiple other terrorists. He has been profiled and interviewed in major media across the globe, including in the US, UK, Russia, India, etc. Neil Doyle wrote a book entitled "Terror Tracker" about Mr. Jenvey.
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Glen Jenvey: The group is linked directly to terrorists associated with Abu Hamza, who's in jail due in large part to my efforts for British intelligence. The group is also tied to other clerics in Britain. They have taken a oath to Osama bin Laden, if not in person, then at places like the radical Finsbury Park mosque.
The oath I heard about it from Abu Hamza audio tape I have.
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DS: Which individuals do you see as being responsible for today's terror?
GJ: Omar Bakri, the London Jihadist said this in April 2004 that a group calling itself al-Qaida Europe "has a great appeal for young Muslims. I know that they are ready to launch a big operation."
Today, a group calling itself the Secret Organization of al-Qaida in Europe claimed the attacks in London. That could that be Bakri's "Al Qaida Europe".
Bakri looks like the man who will be arrested soon. He took over Hamza after the arrest. Most of the September 11 hijackers came through the London offices of Bakri and Hamza. Bakri said quite a lot in past. For example, he told Publica in the interview published on Sunday that there were several "freelance" militant groups in Europe, such as al-Qaida London and are prepared to launch attacks similar to those carried out by the al-Qaida network.
(Excerpt) Read more at globalpolitician.com ...
Too bad your's doesn't - "Frank Discussion." You obviously have nothing to offer, so you post an idiotic insult.
Our enemy is essentially a cult whose soldiers want to die - as long as they can take some of us with them. They are well financed, they are patient - remember, for them this has been going on since the 1980s or before. They have a political arm: CAIR or the British Muslim Associaiton etc. They live among us and use our own political correctness and our laws and freedoms to not only protect themselves but to gain more followers (prison ministries) and the ACLU and the rest of the "useful idiots" are laying out the welcome mat. Our own leaders refer to our enemy as "The Religion of Peace" instead of what they are - the Cult of Death. As a nation, we're not facing the fact that the Muslims have said unequivocally that they want to destroy Western civilization and replace it with Islam.
You can make your snide comments, but our nation is in grave danger. IMO, we're not facing the enemy but making it easier for them to ultimately win. It's not defeatism, it's an analysis of the situation.
Ooh. Hit a nerve, did I?
Let me explain it too you: I don't truly have the answers, I readily admit, but if you have come to the conclusion that we're not going to win, and that the islamofascists ARE going to win, you've already given up. So be it.
Frank enough for you, chum?
Funny, as long as there is an AMERICA, I really don't see them winning. What I think may happen though is that we may need another jolt unfortunately, since many have become quite utterly complacent and fatalistic. We may have to fight a hot war here with our enemy.
But we would win that campaign.
Don't post defeatist drivel unless you like to get back some heat.
"You can make your snide comments, but our nation is in grave danger."
I happen to agree with you.
"IMO, we're not facing the enemy but making it easier for them to ultimately win."
We're fighting a war against the liberals and our general human nature to subjugate those different from us. It's what we face on the domestic front, and we have to win that, too. There is NO choice in that, unless we're all a bunch of worthless pukes. Personally, I see a great value mass of citizens in this country for the most part and refuse to get all maudlin about the sill ba$tards that get in the way.
"It's not defeatism, it's an analysis of the situation."
The answer produced by your analysis indicates our defeat, what do you think that means?
Glad I got under your skin. It was easier than I thought, though it was only to light the fire for you. I truly think you've let some things get you down, instead of worrying about what we MUST do to win.
Sometimes I wonder if the U.S. has made a similar deal. To me, the strongest indication will be that Osama bin Laden is never captured or killed.
Check the following:http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1439102/posts
Nothing, including you, is under my skin and I'm not maudlin.
Ultimately, the only way we will be able to stop the Islamofascists from succeeding in making sharia the law of the land in the United States - their stated goal - is to expell the Muslims. I don't see any other way around it. But I also don't think that could ever happen here. Even if it became politically acceptable, the ACLU and the courts would stop it.
It's not defeatism, I'm looking for the flaw in my analysis. I'd like to know how I'm wrong and how we're going to defeat Islam, particularly when we're unwilling to face the fact (as a Nation) that our enemy is Islam. Even if CAIR sincerely condemns the terrorist actions, the terrorists and CAIR have the same stated goal. Worldwide domination for their religion.
We can't, and won't, kill them all (though plenty here see that as a reasonable response). We can't, without in some way circumventing the liberties our Constitution provides to us, expell Muslims with the only cause being their beliefs.
We're fighting an enemy like none we've ever faced - even communism isn't the same as this. There needs to be some kind of strategy for an ultimate victory, and no one has that. We're not working toward a goal, and if we're going to win then we should be.
We should use their rules in defending ourselves and our civilization against them. Yes, they have immigrated here to destroy us and our children. Shouldn't we be at least as organized and well prepared?
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"I don't think they can be stopped."
An exact quote. From you. If that isn't maudlin and defeatist, I don't know what is.
Now, as for the other things you've said, I generally agree. Shocked?
"...expell the Muslims." It may come to that, it really may. It will take another 9/11 to go that far, but I think that would do it.
"Even if it became politically acceptable, the ACLU and the courts would stop it."
Wartime legislation is often decried, but is usually effective. We have to be careful with such things, though, because such power is hard to dissolve once it is democratically granted. THAT is the part that keeps martial law at bay.
"It's not defeatism, I'm looking for the flaw in my analysis."
Then don't state: "I don't think they can be stopped." It sure SOUNDS like you've given up. If you're looking for help I think you know FR is a good place to start.
"We're fighting an enemy like none we've ever faced - even communism isn't the same as this."
Then we're in agreement on that. However, a winning strategy is not found by glumly admitting defeat.
"There needs to be some kind of strategy for an ultimate victory, and no one has that. We're not working toward a goal, and if we're going to win then we should be."
Based on what you've already said, I think you already know the strategy is already being worked. We just have a fifth column trying to unwork it. During WWII, FDR couldn't have engineered victory (even with Truman's backbone at the very end) with the kind of domestic sniping President Bush has to endure now.
I agree that it takes more than faith to win a war, but you have to have that first.
One of these was Jaish Mohammed (Mohammed’s Army), a name previously associated with a group known to be active only in Chechnya and Dagestan, in Russia. It is curious that the claim of responsibility was received by phone by Omar Bakri Mohammed, the leader of Al-Muhajiroun, a London based militant group known for his ties with bin Laden.[13]
Speaking of Al Muhajiroun: the group has a North American chapter. Its spokesman is Kamran Bokhari, from the University of Texas.
17 posted on 08/10/2003 12:35:15 AM PDT by piasa
piasa...do you have any more info on this guy or Kamran Bokhari?
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Syrian born radical Islamist Sheikh Omar bin Bakri Muhammad is the founder of the London branch of Hizb Al-Tahrir
And a related thread from yesterday which was pulled from news for some reason. Details on the group in post 5 and 6.
Hizb ut-Tahrir Britain Issues Message to Muslim Community in Aftermath of London Attacks
This is really scary reading.
Besides being an advocate of killing innocents for over a Decade, this Jihadist was being paid by UK Taxpayers to plot to kill them.
"In an interview with the Daily Mirror, Sheikh Bakri acknowledged that he lives on social benefits from the British government: "He receives nearly £300 a week in state handouts for himself, his [Lebanese] wife, and their five (as of 1996) children. He told the Mirror, 'Islam allows me to take the benefit the system offers. I'm fully eligible. It is very difficult for me to get a job. Anyway, most of the leadership of the Islamic movement is on [state] benefit.'"[6]
Five Pakistani jihadi organisations are members of bin Laden's International Islamic Front (IIF) for Jihad Against the Crusaders and the Jewish People formed in February,1998. These are the Harkat-ul-Mujahideen (HUM---previously known as the Harkat-ul-Ansar HUA), the Harkat-ul-Jihad-al-Islami (HUJI), the Jaish-e-Mohammad (JEM), the Lashkar-e-Toiba (LET) and the Lashkar-e-Jhangvi (LEJ).
http://www.saag.org/papers15/paper1420.html
Jaish e Mohammad has a older chequered history.
"I want to see the black flag of Islam flying over Downing Street," he has said...Al-Muhajiroun has chapters all over the world – including the United States. It actively supports the ideology of Osama bin Laden and Bakri has long been suspected of having ties to al-Qaida.
Yeah, I know it is WND, but it is now substantiated.
Well, it's, er, an option I hadn't considered. Problem is, who wants to go first?
Dave, I'm gathering everything related to this atrocity here:
Terror Strike- London!
various FR links & stories | 07-07-05 |
Posted on 07/07/2005 1:21:18 PM EDT by backhoe
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1438409/posts
Hang 'em High ~ Bump!
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