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Why Women Must Change Too if we are to Rescue Marriage
The Financial Times ^ | July 5, 2005 | Richard Tomkins

Posted on 07/05/2005 5:31:57 AM PDT by Bon mots

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To: Rytwyng

We've either got to change the system or watch other societies and cultures bury us.


321 posted on 07/05/2005 10:23:57 AM PDT by tahotdog
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To: Kelly_2000
"In practice there are a lot of extreme viewpoints concerning feminism."

If you are practicing something you are doing something. If you have a viewpoint it is because you are thinking something. But of course, I understand. To feminists, thinking is the same as doing. It makes perfect sense.

"This has led to a divergence from feminism to extreme and new perspectives."

Indeed! Here are some of your feminist leaders. Their "perspectives" are just dandy! LOL! ! !

"All men are rapists and that's all they are" -- Marilyn French, Author, "The Women's Room"

""I feel that 'man-hating' is an honorable and viable political act, that the oppressed have a right to class-hatred against the class that is oppressing them." -- Robin Morgan, MS. Magazine Editor "

""I claim that rape exists any time sexual intercourse occurs when it has not been initiated by the woman, out of her own genuine affection and desire." -- Robin Morgan "

""No woman should be authorized to stay at home to raise her children. Society should be totally different. Women should not have that choice, precisely because if there is such a choice, too many women will make that one." Simone de Beauvoir, author of _The Second Sex_, the book that is credited with launching the mainstream of the modern feminist movement ---"

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"64 YEAR-OLD FEMINIST COLLECTS AND PUBLISHES NUDE PHOTOS OF BOYS, YOU KNOW, FOR FUN." (Germaine Greer)

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322 posted on 07/05/2005 10:25:07 AM PDT by Enterprise (Thus sayeth our rulers - "All your property is mine." - - - Kelo vs New London)
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To: Aquinasfan

Thanks sweetie :)


323 posted on 07/05/2005 10:26:01 AM PDT by najida (The hardest person to forgive is yourself.)
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To: SandyB
The one that owns the gold makes the rules, and women who make more than husbands will be the ones in charge, and men will have to do the more meaningless tasks in a marriage because womens time will be worth so much more than a mans time.

True, but I worked in law for 8 years in NYC and most of the women were either in an unhappy relationship, or in no relationship at all. A lot of men simply don't want to deal with a woman with a demanding career (I know I don't).

When a woman manager or physician or attorney or biologist, etc comes home from a long day at work making mega bucks, she will expect dinner and a clean house.

She can keep on waiting. Even if she finds a guy like that (and they are out there), in no time she will be sexually frustrated by him. A woman, on balance, can not be consistently sexually excited and fulfilled by a man who isn't a dominant male (that's not to say domineering, which is a negative trait).

324 posted on 07/05/2005 10:27:05 AM PDT by HitmanLV
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To: SandyB
The one that owns the gold makes the rules, and women who make more than husbands will be the ones in charge, and men will have to do the more meaningless tasks in a marriage because womens time will be worth so much more than a mans time.

True, but I worked in law for 8 years in NYC and most of the women were either in an unhappy relationship, or in no relationship at all. A lot of men simply don't want to deal with a woman with a demanding career (I know I don't).

When a woman manager or physician or attorney or biologist, etc comes home from a long day at work making mega bucks, she will expect dinner and a clean house.

She can keep on waiting. Even if she finds a guy like that (and they are out there), in no time she will be sexually frustrated by him. A woman, on balance, can not be consistently sexually excited and fulfilled by a man who isn't a dominant male (that's not to say domineering, which is a negative trait).

325 posted on 07/05/2005 10:27:32 AM PDT by HitmanLV
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To: GraniteStateConservative

"Pretty soon women will be in the recliners watching the Browns game and men will be fetching the cold beers..."

It's been a long time since I knew a woman who would fetch cold beer. And I know I wouldn't do the fetching without proper inducements! ;)


326 posted on 07/05/2005 10:32:21 AM PDT by brownsfan (Post No Bills)
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To: HitmanNY

I don't agree, I think it's plain simple moral character.


327 posted on 07/05/2005 10:32:36 AM PDT by kharaku (G3 (http://www.cobolsoundsystem.com/mp3s/unreleased/evewasanape.mp3))
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To: HitmanNY
There are just some itches that aren't going to be scratched, son.

LOL. Okay, this could take a turn for the worse. I was going to say "I disagree" but there are itches and then there itches.

I was more referring to the "no sex at all" bit.

BTW, eat lotsa pineapple and she will find one itch loss onerous...
328 posted on 07/05/2005 10:32:45 AM PDT by BJClinton (I bend the microphone to the furthest point like a Germanic tribesman)
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To: digitalman
Some males on the board need stop whinning like spoiled children who's mommy is not taking care of them, and look at men who have keep their marriages in tact, and a good healthy family, and wife. Note the word difference 'males' vs. 'men'.

Very true.

329 posted on 07/05/2005 10:33:53 AM PDT by HitmanLV
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To: RHINO369
I believe you are partly right...

In their 20's, its usually the girl wanting marriage and the guy running. But what I've observed is that in their later/ post 40 years, many widowed/divorced women are intent to stay single and many older men are frantic to find someone.

Maybe its because women have social circles etc that they've formed. Maybe its because many feel free for the first time (I'm thinking of my mother here). I know of a couple of cases where older men have married because "they couldn't stand being alone in their house". One married a woman he didn't even like that much, but hey! He had a body under the roof ;)

Granted, this is just in my family and community, so it may be an anomaly.
330 posted on 07/05/2005 10:34:06 AM PDT by najida (The hardest person to forgive is yourself.)
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To: kharaku; chris1

Hee hee. This is a thread about women needing to change and the women are going ballistic! What a hoot!


331 posted on 07/05/2005 10:35:10 AM PDT by Enterprise (Thus sayeth our rulers - "All your property is mine." - - - Kelo vs New London)
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To: AmishDude

Never make the case for the beta-male. There are legimiate reasons that women routinely reject them and cheat on them. I'd have it no other way.


332 posted on 07/05/2005 10:35:20 AM PDT by HitmanLV
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To: Aquinasfan
When courts give custody to men in 50% of divorce cases, and alimony to men in 50% of divorce cases... then men and women are truly equal. Until then, forget about it.

The root of the problem is no-fault divorce, isn't it?

No-fault divorce combined with a family law system that is hopelessly corrupt and anti-child/anti-male. One sage Freeper referred to the system as one that rewards women: "wreck a marriage, earn a check." After having to spend a year's income to secure a meaningful joint custody with my two children, while watching a corrupt court bend over backwards--to the point of fabricating evidence--to repeatedly find in favor of my ex-wife with borderline personality disorder, I concluded that it was in the best interests of my children to not marry again--at least not in this liberal cesspool of a jurisdiction. To do so would put them at even greater risk of being further harmed by the elitist oligarchy.

333 posted on 07/05/2005 10:35:45 AM PDT by PeoplesRepublicOfWashington (Washington State--Land of Court-approved Voting Fraud.)
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To: HitmanNY
I really wasn't trying to be funny with that comment. I'm from New Orleans and just the historical aspect of the conversation made me think about it. I have a few Dutch buddies and what they look for in a wife is completely centered around who would make a good mother. The rest is not a concern.
334 posted on 07/05/2005 10:38:33 AM PDT by The Toll
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To: music is math

bump for later


335 posted on 07/05/2005 10:40:52 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (An elected Legislature can trample a man's rights as easy as a King can.)
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To: tahotdog

I know a woman who has been talking about how studies show that women marrying over 25 after completing their education have better marriages. She also thinks that arranged marriages work better than those who marry for love. When I said maybe I was an exception to her viewpoint (marrying young, and unless something drastic happens very happy), she said, "You're still young. I used to feel the same way." She's only four years older than me.


336 posted on 07/05/2005 10:41:30 AM PDT by HungarianGypsy
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To: Conservatrix

Yet some fools here say you shouldn't jettison this creep because of the wedding vow.


337 posted on 07/05/2005 10:44:12 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: walden

My wife was eight years younger and died 7 years ago. I never thought I would survive her since she did everything right and me rarely. But that didn't matter.


338 posted on 07/05/2005 10:45:47 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: kharaku

I don't think so. Most of the people that I know who have fallen to temptation clearly didn't set out to.

The more opportunity someone has for extramartial sex, the more likely they will have extramarital sex.

Morality has something to do with it, but not nearly as much as you think. Perfectly moral people fall to sexual temptation. Like I said, when they make that snap decision to have uncomplicated sex with that very attractive new person in their life, it really seems like a good idea at the time.


339 posted on 07/05/2005 10:46:34 AM PDT by HitmanLV
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To: BJClinton

There you go! ;-)


340 posted on 07/05/2005 10:47:26 AM PDT by HitmanLV
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