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Why Women Must Change Too if we are to Rescue Marriage
The Financial Times ^ | July 5, 2005 | Richard Tomkins

Posted on 07/05/2005 5:31:57 AM PDT by Bon mots

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To: najida
Be strong najida. If marriage is meant for you it will happen; if not find a way to be happy with "Mr. Right This Minute"!
181 posted on 07/05/2005 8:26:03 AM PDT by Jersey Republican Biker Chick (People too weak to follow their own dreams, will always find a way to discourage yours.)
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To: kharaku
don't know much about your situation so maybe you just made a mistake, and it isn't the sort of serial bad taste that I've seen. Well I hope not. I look back on my other involvement pre-marriage and not one of them was a druggie, criminal, or abusive. I got caught in a nasty trap-- and I take full responsibility for the results. I am just trying to salvage what is life of my life and my children's lives now. I pray I will make a better choice in the future, if I get another chance.
182 posted on 07/05/2005 8:26:50 AM PDT by Conservatrix ("He who stands for nothing will fall for anything.")
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To: music is math

come on grow up anyone promoting non equality is not a real feminist. Sounds like you are talking about a lesbian not a feminist IMO


183 posted on 07/05/2005 8:26:50 AM PDT by Kelly_2000 (Because they stand on a wall and say nothing is going to hurt you tonight. Not on my watch)
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
Oh, I agree that you gain a lot having a child....IF you really want that child. And are emotionally equipped/fixed yourself to have a child.

The bizarre thing is, too many people are having kids for all the wrong reasons and they all seem to be the worst people to have children- emotionally, spiritually and financially.
184 posted on 07/05/2005 8:27:40 AM PDT by najida (The hardest person to forgive is yourself.)
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To: kharaku
"No feminism is NOT about equality and it IS about role reversal",/i>

Sorry with that statement you just disqualified yourself as someone knowledgeable in this area.

185 posted on 07/05/2005 8:27:53 AM PDT by Kelly_2000 (Because they stand on a wall and say nothing is going to hurt you tonight. Not on my watch)
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To: Kelly_2000
come on grow up anyone promoting non equality is not a real feminist.

fine, keep playing semantic games then

186 posted on 07/05/2005 8:29:04 AM PDT by music is math
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To: frgoff

Thanks - I do delegate, although that still leaves more work than the poster's "one meal a day," etc. For example, "Nurse new baby 18 hours out of 24."


187 posted on 07/05/2005 8:29:05 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("I am saying that the government's complicity is dishonest and disingenuous." ~NCSteve)
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To: AmishDude

My daughters are smarter than that. After all, they're my daughters.


188 posted on 07/05/2005 8:30:51 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("I am saying that the government's complicity is dishonest and disingenuous." ~NCSteve)
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To: Conservatrix
"That list describes my soon-to-be ex. Except he omitted some other adjectives, such as "sociopathic, abusive, irresponsible, cruel, substance-addicted, mentally ill."

We all make poor choices sometimes, this was one of the poorest I ever made.

SINGLE MOTHER OF SIX"

Your post gives me pause because you are publicly bashing someone who has no ability to defend himself. Now he might truly be all the terrible things you allege, but at this point I would like to read his side of it.

189 posted on 07/05/2005 8:31:40 AM PDT by Enterprise (Thus sayeth our rulers - "All your property is mine." - - - Kelo vs New London)
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain

There's some selfishness in any decision, not that there's anything wrong with that.

And it's not because I don't think I'd be a good parent or find joy in it, or that I don't want to make any sacrifices. One look around at the way I change my life and limit what I do for my animals would show you that. And I like kids, as visitors. It's just that I'm not sure I want that lifestyle. If things had gone like the rule book said, and I'd have married at 18 or 25 instead of 36, maybe I'd feel different, and my kids would now be 10 and able to ride that silly pony I'm not sure why I own ;~D But at this point....


190 posted on 07/05/2005 8:31:47 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: SandyB

Well, I guess you sort of granted me the point about aggression. In fact, I maintain a lot of the PC crap we get shoved down our throats these days is a product of a strong feminine influence in the work place.

I agree, young men aren't pursuing a career as aggressively as they once did. Would any of this have it's genesis in the modern male stereotype? You know, the one where we've gone from a benevolent, wise father figure, (Ozzie Nelson, Andy Griffith, Ward Clever), to the inept, stupid father figure, (Ray Barrone, Homer Simpson, Al Bundy)?

Young men are either demoralized, or lazy, or both, I'm not sure. So, you have a couple of unappealing prospects for the future. First, digging ditches all day won't supress a guy's aggression, trust me on that one. Second, if a guy can't get women to notice him because he digs ditches, that won't help calm him down.
With a large number of men in this position, you have the potential for a huge violent crime problem.
I'm not sure what else will happen, but be aware, not all of these undereducated men will be stupid. Hmmmm, intelligent beings with high aggression and low self esteem.
You had better hope things don't go as you so gleefully seem to wish they are headed.


191 posted on 07/05/2005 8:32:44 AM PDT by brownsfan (Post No Bills)
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To: music is math
"fine, keep playing semantic games then"

Visit American Heritage Dictionary fem·i·nism (fm-nzm) KEY NOUN: Belief in the social, political, and economic equality of the sexes. The movement organized around this belief.

192 posted on 07/05/2005 8:32:55 AM PDT by Kelly_2000 (Because they stand on a wall and say nothing is going to hurt you tonight. Not on my watch)
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To: Kelly_2000

Name some feminists, popular ones you beleive are the real deal. The fact is the key palyers in the feminist movement, the actually folks pouring money into scholarships, school books, tv ads, tv programs, etc etc. Are launching a massive propaganda effort against traditional female roles and a massive effort for women in traditionally male roles. You're quaint idea of what feminism 'really is' is irelevant because the people in the movement moving it forward do not share you're happy 'we can all get along' attitude.


193 posted on 07/05/2005 8:33:07 AM PDT by kharaku (G3 (http://www.cobolsoundsystem.com/mp3s/unreleased/evewasanape.mp3))
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To: Tax-chick

Not all blindspots are formed by romance!


194 posted on 07/05/2005 8:34:09 AM PDT by AmishDude (Once you go black hat, you never go back.)
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To: AmishDude

True ... some are formed by excessive FReeping.


195 posted on 07/05/2005 8:34:40 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("I am saying that the government's complicity is dishonest and disingenuous." ~NCSteve)
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To: SandyB
It doesnt matter how much testosterone you have, if you dont have a college, law school, or medical degree - you still wont make as much money. Uneducated males with lots of testosterone will still be able to get jobs digging ditches to work off all that testosterone, but their paychecks will be lots smaller than women with advanced degrees and who are in management.

True...but only in the employment arena.

An uneducated person (with some testosterone) can start a business or sell a product or service and make substantially more money than any doctor or lawyer or corporate manager.

It is a big world out there. This whole 'job' thing is relatively new in the grand scheme of things.

College is not only unnecessary to succeed financially, it is now becoming a hindrance. In the end, the strongest and smartest will survive. They will not necessarily be the most educated. The educated will probably be working for them and earning a decent salary.

196 posted on 07/05/2005 8:35:31 AM PDT by bankwalker (You get what you believe.)
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To: Conservatrix

"Well if that is the case, you ought to follow an argument"

Hmmmm... so there is a context to the rule? Personal attacks are allowed when you decide they are? Is that a right given to the women here, or do we all just decide when it's appropriate to attack?


197 posted on 07/05/2005 8:35:34 AM PDT by brownsfan (Post No Bills)
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To: freedomfiter2
While there is truth to what you say, it is a big mistake to only consider having a job to make money. There are many opportunities out there to make millions where college degrees are at best a distraction.

That is true, but for the most part, the more educated you are, the more professional of a degree, the more money you make.

Uneducated males who make lots of money are exceptions, and will be even less so as the world economy gets rid of over paid factory jobs - plus there is more competition these days. In the old days, an uneducated male could start a business and have lots of opportunity, now with record immigration, lots of immigrants are starting businesses, and women out number males in owning their own businesses also.

You dont need to read a book to see why women made less than men in the 1950's, there were virtually no women in professions, no female doctors, no female lawyers,no female computer engineers, and men greatly outnumbered females in college.

That has now been reversed - shoe is on the other foot.

Anyways, I never said I liked what is happening, I am just observing what is happening. High paid factory jobs are disappearing in this country. Males are not going to college, males are not going to professional schools, grad schools. Women and immigrants are the majority of new business owners. Men are not going into the military like they used to.

The consequences and future are inevitable, like it or not.

198 posted on 07/05/2005 8:35:55 AM PDT by SandyB
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To: music is math
"Feminism as I say is about equality"

That ranks along the lines of "I'm from the Government. I'm here to help."

199 posted on 07/05/2005 8:36:06 AM PDT by Enterprise (Thus sayeth our rulers - "All your property is mine." - - - Kelo vs New London)
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To: kharaku
"The fact is the key palyers in the feminist movement, the actually folks pouring money into scholarships, school books, tv ads, tv programs, etc etc. Are launching a massive propaganda effort against traditional female roles"

These key players by definition are not feminists then. What is at fault here is your broad stroke "tar-everyone-with-the-same-brush" definitions.

200 posted on 07/05/2005 8:36:18 AM PDT by Kelly_2000 (Because they stand on a wall and say nothing is going to hurt you tonight. Not on my watch)
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