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To: bayourod

Some may consider me a "heretic" for saying this, but I don't believe it can be said with certainty that people who die *without* ever hearing of Jesus Christ (the gospel message) are going to hell.


24 posted on 07/01/2005 10:12:34 AM PDT by k2blader (Was it wrong to kill Terri Shiavo? YES - 83.8%. FR Opinion Poll.)
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To: k2blader

The fate of those who haven't heard, or who can't understand (like small children) aren't spoken about in the Bible. We must have faith that God is infinitly just and merciful and will apply those qualities in such situations.


37 posted on 07/01/2005 10:20:40 AM PDT by Tree of Liberty (requiescat in pace, President Reagan)
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To: k2blader
Some may consider me a "heretic" for saying this, but I don't believe it can be said with certainty that people who die *without* ever hearing of Jesus Christ (the gospel message) are going to hell.

No. Some think that's the case and use it to bash Christianity, but it's not. The Bible recognizes that not everyone is going to have a chance to hear the good news, but proposes that a man who is righteous will naturally form within himself a semblence of the law even if he does not know the law. This is New Testament Epistle stuff, though I can't quote chapter and verse on it.

40 posted on 07/01/2005 10:21:38 AM PDT by johnb838 (Adios, liberal mofos!)
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To: k2blader

Respectfully, you just don't understand Christian doctrine. Consider this: Would a person who has never heard of gravity be spared if he stepped off a ten-story building?


55 posted on 07/01/2005 10:26:33 AM PDT by Mulch (tm)
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To: k2blader

You are not incorrect.

Romans 1:20 "For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse"

God's nature is obvious. You will be fairly judged by God based on how you have accepted Him as the Creator.


71 posted on 07/01/2005 10:32:38 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: k2blader
Some may consider me a "heretic" for saying this, but I don't believe it can be said with certainty that people who die *without* ever hearing of Jesus Christ (the gospel message) are going to hell.

No, that certainly can't be said...at all. Just hearing is a whole lot different than the response procured from hearing the Gospel. But I try to stay out of those condemning people to hell issues. Only God knows...and only God will judge that. All I can do is try to continually live out my life...in action, speech, and attiude, in a way pleasing to God.

87 posted on 07/01/2005 10:39:15 AM PDT by BureaucratusMaximus (Socialists are blessed with the desire to serve others. That's why most of them work @ McDonalds)
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To: k2blader
Some may consider me a "heretic" for saying this, but I don't believe it can be said with certainty that people who die *without* ever hearing of Jesus Christ (the gospel message) are going to hell.

How I usually deal with this is to say that Jesus is the only provision given by the Father so that people can be assured of eternal life. It is clearly *not* for us to declare who actually goes to heaven and who goes to hell. All we can do is preach the gospel. It is entirely God's responsibility to decide who goes where.

My personal hope is that God finds a way to redeem all of mankind, but I have nothing in the Bible that gives me reason to believe that's the case. Again, if someone wants to go to heaven, the only assurance the New Testament can give them is through faith in Christ. There's no other provision made by which a man can be saved.

109 posted on 07/01/2005 10:48:09 AM PDT by kezekiel
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To: k2blader

How would explain what Jesus said in the gospel of John chapter 14 verse 6?


182 posted on 07/01/2005 11:53:05 AM PDT by Rhadaghast (Yeshua HaMashiach Tzidkaynu)
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To: k2blader
Some may consider me a "heretic" for saying this, but I don't believe it can be said with certainty that people who die *without* ever hearing of Jesus Christ (the gospel message) are going to hell.

Then I suppose Christ's life was just a big waste of time.< / sarcasm>

341 posted on 07/02/2005 12:07:08 AM PDT by Gamecock ("Nice" people aren't beaten to a y pulp, nailed onto a cross and then left to suffocate.)
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To: k2blader
people who die "without" ever hearing of Jesus Christ (the gospel message) are going to hell.


I have heard that the ten commandments are written in the heart of every man.
So an Indian deep in the jungle of the Amazon that lives and dies with out ever hearing the gospel will be judged by Jesus Christ, (The Father and Christ are one in the same) according to what's in his heart.


Damning all people who have never had a chance at hearing the message would not be a just and merciful God, if this was without some merit.


I think this is what Graham might have been referring to.
348 posted on 07/02/2005 6:44:33 AM PDT by dagoofyfoot
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