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Anglicans 'expel' Canada (and also the openly apostate U.S. Episcopal Church!)
National Post - Canada ^ | Thursday, June 23, 2005 | Bob Harvey et al

Posted on 06/23/2005 1:15:56 PM PDT by GMMAC

Anglicans 'expel' Canada
Clergy barred from key bodies over gay marriage

Bob Harvey; with files from Natalie Alcoba
CanWest News Service, with files from The Daily Telegraph

NATIONAL POST
Thursday, June 23, 2005


The fierce battle within the Anglican Church over homosexual clergy and same-sex marriage has brought the Canadian and American branches of the faith to the brink of banishment by the Church's ruling bodies meeting in England.

The controversy flared up at the Anglican Consultative Council session in Nottingham yesterday, pitting the liberal, pro-homosexual Canadian and American congregations against a hardline coalition of African and Asian wings that bitterly opposes homosexual involvement in Church affairs.

At the root of the dispute is the consecration of openly gay clergyman Gene Robinson as Bishop of New Hampshire and the decision by the diocese of New Westminster, B.C., to authorize the blessing of same-sex marriage.

The same-sex confrontation in the Church comes as the Parliament of Canada is locked in an equally bitter showdown over government legislation that would make Canada only the third nation in the world to legalize formal same-sex marriage.

Yesterday the Consultative Council rejected the North American rationale for homosexual participation in Church affairs and voted to banish both Canada and the U.S. from the council and its central finance and standing committees.

A watered down resolution that stopped short of demanding North American banishment from all Church bodies, requested "that the Episcopal Church [U.S.] and the Anglican Church of Canada withdraw their members from the council's standing committee and the inter-Anglican finance and administration committee."

The resolution passed 30-28 in a secret ballot, with four abstentions, behind the closed doors of the council's session at the University of Nottingham.

Although somewhat milder than the original version, The Times of London noted "it amounts in effect to a punishing expulsion."

"If there was any doubt left about the serious nature of this rift, this week's meeting has made clear how far from agreement both sides appear to be, and the extent to which neither is willing to compromise," said The Times. "The deepening anger on both sides means the 2008 conference in Canterbury could see savage theological conflict."

The newspaper added that the events of the week moved the Church "closer to schism."

The Church's official policy declares homosexuality "incompatible with scripture."

The Canadian and U.S. branches of the Church had already agreed to refrain from participation in the governing council until 2008.

Nigeria's Archbishop Peter Akinola has been the loudest of the Asian and African critics of the North American churches and submitted yesterday's resolution. Both U.S. and Canadian leaders came to this week's council meetings to explain why they had taken stands that marred their relationships with sister churches.

However, Canadian delegates, including the church's primate, Archbishop Andrew Hutchison, refused to drop their support of the blessing of same-sex unions in Vancouver.

Reverend Peter Elliott, dean of Christ Church Cathedral in Vancouver and the deputy chairman of the Canadian church's governing body, its General Synod, told the Consultative Council on Tuesday, "I am a gay man. I am in a committed partnership myself."

He said he is able to hold such a visible position in the Church because of the support of his partner, his family, his bishop and his diocese.

In a letter to the international Anglican Consultative Council, Archbishop Hutchison expressed regret over strained relationships with other Anglicans and agreed that until Canada's General Synod meets in 2007, there will be a moratorium on the blessing of same-sex unions.

The Canadian delegation told the meeting in Nottingham that the Church exists in a social, cultural and political context where seven of 10 provinces have already authorized same-sex marriages. But Bishop Sue Moxley of Nova Scotia and Prince Edward Island said that despite their differences, Canadian leaders continue to see themselves as part of the worldwide Church.

The Right Reverend Catherine Roskam, the suffragan bishop of New York, called on other Anglican churches to learn to live with different approaches to sexuality. In a 130-page document, the U.S. Episcopal Church argued that its members have found holiness in same-sex relationships and have come to support the blessing of such unions and the ordination of homosexuals.

Charlie Masters, national director for Anglican Essentials Canada, a group that represents conservative Anglicans, welcomed yesterday's decision, calling it an opportunity for the Canadian church to change its direction.

"It shows that the Anglican communion is strong in its resolve to call the Anglican Church back to Anglican beliefs," he said.

The meeting of delegates from the 38 Anglican churches will continue until June 28. National churches must then decide whether to accept or reject any decisions made at the meetings.

© National Post 2005


TOPICS: Canada; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: anglican; canada; canuckistan; canuckithtan; ecusa; episcopalian; europeanchristians; fallout; gayagenda; homosexualagenda; homosexualbishop; samesexmarriage; schism
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To: Heartofsong83
I suppose they could become Catholics if they are Anglo-Catholic, or an evangelical church if in the low church tradition. But if they want to form a denomination in the Anglican tradition recognized by the worldwide Anglican communion as the representative of Anglicanism in the United States, conservative bishops, priests, and laity must act boldly and quickly. "Blest be the tie that binds" may be a nice old hymn, but it is not always sound advice.
41 posted on 06/23/2005 3:18:15 PM PDT by Wallace T.
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To: AnAmericanMother; Neville72; frogjerk
Me too - in the Catholic church and very happy, should have made the move long ago.

Join us! But remember, the cafeteria is closed!


42 posted on 06/23/2005 3:21:10 PM PDT by Dont Mention the War (John Bolton for White House Press Secretary!)
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later pingout.


43 posted on 06/23/2005 3:26:32 PM PDT by little jeremiah (A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, are incompatible with freedom. P. Henry)
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To: GMMAC

So, when are REAL American and Canadian Anglicans going to contact the church leaders and request that those who believe in the church teachings be allowed to commune and those who don't can stay outside?


44 posted on 06/23/2005 3:27:37 PM PDT by McGavin999
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To: Stand W

Have you considered becoming a Missouri Synod Lutheran instead of ECLA?


45 posted on 06/23/2005 3:29:44 PM PDT by utahagen
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To: Dont Mention the War
Join us! But remember, the cafeteria is closed!

Cenatio clausum est.

Not a problem. We wrangled all that out with Monsignor when we joined up. The only matters we differed on were the validity of Anglican Orders and the supremacy of the Bishop of Rome, and we were happy to relinquish those points (especially since the Orders have sort of proved their invalidity - by their fruits shall ye know them, and it's obvious that Adult Leadership is necessary).

46 posted on 06/23/2005 3:30:11 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: AnAmericanMother
My great-nephew left the Episcopal Church and joined the Eastern Orthodox Church and his wife left the Roman Catholic and they are quite glad they did. They wanted to be attending the same Church for many reasons.

Her sister and brother-in-law, who have been upset over the sex scandals in the Roman Catholic Church, are scheduled to start classes in oredr to join the Orthodox Church as well.

I was told that the Priest where they are going to start classes left the Episcopal Church a few years ago and became an Eastern Orthodox priest. I gather that married Episcopal priests becoming E.O. clergy has happened many times in the past few years.

I must admit that that surprised me, but, my nephew says the Orthodox Church welcomes married clergy openly and in fact, encourages marriage among the clergy.

47 posted on 06/23/2005 3:56:05 PM PDT by Lion in Winter (Getting old is NOT for sissies.... trust me, I know!)
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To: Lion in Winter
So long as you don't want to be a bishop.

I don't have any problem with the Orthodox Church and I wish them well. I hope that the efforts for a rapprochement on some level with the Catholics work out.

It's not for me, though. Purely a personal and gut level choice. Besides, as ultra-high-church Episcopalians we were Practically Catholic already.

48 posted on 06/23/2005 4:08:09 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: FormerACLUmember

What is with the flower crowns? That just looks STOOPID!


49 posted on 06/23/2005 4:09:53 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: FormerACLUmember

Oh, I get it, two 'queens' getting married, huh?


50 posted on 06/23/2005 4:11:31 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: AnAmericanMother
and the supremacy of the Bishop of Rome

That's simple.

That Benedict IS Peter is not simple.

How did you get past that?

51 posted on 06/23/2005 4:13:17 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God)
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To: Jim Noble
Apostolic Succession, which we believed in anyhow (I told you we were high church).

For more details, see here:

Apostolicae Curae

Saepius Officio

We had read those documents already, it was just a matter of being willing to adopt the other view. Which is actually sometimes sort of funny . . . we were in the choir rehearsal room, and somehow Guy Fawkes came up (I think the Fifth of November was upon us). We were talking about it, and suddenly a light bulb went on in my head, and I exclaimed, "Hey! I get to cheer for the other side now!"

I always felt (with Sir Iain Moncrieffe) that I shared Mr. Fawkes's views about the value of Parliament . . .

52 posted on 06/23/2005 4:17:29 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: Marauder
I'm considering what someone else on this thread said: Join the Catholic Church. They may have had some terrible incidents in their recent past, but they're not promoting it like Griswold and others are.

I'm convinced that one of the reasons the Globe went after Cardinal Law so completely is because they perceived him to be the greatest threat to their plans to bring homosexual 'marriage' to MA. They figured that if they could destroy the credibility of the Catholic Church in MA, that they would have clear sailing. They're finding that wasn't the case. It was plenty more than just Catholics that were horrified by the Supreme Judicial Court's ruling, and Catholics as well as other Christian denominations and some Jewish groups have organized against it.

Pope Benedict XVI will be forceful in preaching the Church's teachings against homosexual activity in general and 'marriage' in particular. This is why homosexual activists save their most vile ire for the Catholic Church.

53 posted on 06/23/2005 4:24:18 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Lion in Winter
Her sister and brother-in-law, who have been upset over the sex scandals in the Roman Catholic Church, are scheduled to start classes in oredr to join the Orthodox Church as well.

Folks shouldn't be so quick to assume that there are no 'clergy scandals' in the Orthodox Churches. They are there, they just haven't gotten the same press as the Catholic Church in America.

54 posted on 06/23/2005 4:27:55 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: FormerACLUmember
Incredible photo of Brucie & his new 'bride' :)
55 posted on 06/23/2005 4:47:01 PM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: blues-train
Not a single individual at the core of this problem gives a damn about the Church itself; they are only interested in justification of their personal choices

Yes indeed. homosexuality is of course an extreme form of narcissism, so naturally it is all about ME!!!

56 posted on 06/23/2005 4:57:09 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Sergio
So I guess that since abortion is legal in all 50 states, that the church should also get on board and say that it's now OK to have one in the eyes of God.

According to the UCC God is just fine with abortions.

57 posted on 06/23/2005 5:00:11 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Mark in the Old South

Did he really? I knew he spoke to planned parenthood, which is bad enough.


58 posted on 06/23/2005 5:01:11 PM PDT by altura
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To: TruthNtegrity

ping


59 posted on 06/23/2005 5:07:36 PM PDT by GretchenM (Hooked on porn and hating it? Visit http://www.theophostic.com .)
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To: AnAmericanMother
The ECUSA bigwigs will deny until the end of time that any resolution by the Anglican Communion (1) means what it says; (2) has any effect on them. They will continue in their destructive course.

How is the ECUSA board elected? Any way to toss them out on their rumps?

60 posted on 06/23/2005 5:10:24 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (When peace stands for surrender, fear, loss of dignity and freedom, it is no longer peace.)
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