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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 3
Link to previous thread ^ | 6/23/05 | freepers

Posted on 06/23/2005 10:44:51 AM PDT by stlnative

Previous FR Natalee Holloway Threads...

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 2
Posted on 06/20/2005 12:14:36 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1426433/posts

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 1
Posted on 06/16/2005 11:43:44 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1424188/posts

Another Twist in Holloway Disappearance
Posted on 06/14/2005 11:24:41 AM CDT by PBRSTREETGANG
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1422593/posts

Ala. Teen's Mom: Men 'Know What Happened' (Natalee Holloway)
Posted on 06/13/2005 4:01:55 AM CDT by bd476
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1421756/posts

Natalee's body found... (false report)
Posted on 06/11/2005 1:05:50 PM CDT by kcvl
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1420967/posts

Holloway Not Only American Missing In Aruba
Posted on 06/08/2005 1:25:36 AM CDT by MassRepublicanFlyersFan
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418606/posts

Natalee Holloway (Aruba) 5 Men Now in Custody
Posted on 06/07/2005 3:35:36 PM CDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418322/posts

Aruba Info...

Full Aruba Island Maps
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif (BEST MAP)
http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/images/aruba2002.gif (good map but blurry)
http://www.aruba-tours.com/art/arubaattmap1.gif

Oranjestad Aruba Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/oranjestad2002.gif

San Nicolas Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/sannicolas2002.gif

Hotel Location Maps in the California Lighthouse Area
http://www.arubaluxurycondos.com/images/arubamap1.gif
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (NICE MAP)

Hotel Pictures
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (Map)

Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino - #1 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #101
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaar/phototour/auaar_phototour22.jpg?Log=1

Marriott's Aruba Ocean Club - #2 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #99
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaao/phototour/auaao_phototour01.jpg?Log=1

Holiday Inn Sunspree Resort - #3 on Map (both buildings are the Holiday Inn)
http://phototour.ichotelsgroup.com/hotelimages/AUAAN/WELCM_EXTR_02_D.jpg

Playa Linda Beach Resort - #4 on Map
http://www.playalinda.com/enghome.html

Manchebo Beach Area Map
http://www.mapsworldwide.com/mwwlive/itm_img/3897075008sam.gif

Aruba Beach Location Maps
http://www.arubariba.com/ArubamapBeachMap1.jpg
http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/maps/arubabeachmap.jpg (nice detailed map)

Aruba Township Location Map
http://www.arubarealestate.com/aruba_map/

Aruba Diving Location Maps
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/diving_a.html

Aruba Beach/Site Seeing Pictures
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/beaches.html

Aruba/Natalee - Blogs/Boards/Forums/News Feeds
http://bb.visitaruba.com/
http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/read.php?f=1&i=124287&t=124287&v=t
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/ (Forum) - POPULAR
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/ (Blogger in Aruba)
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://joranvandersloot.blogspot.com (Blog)
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=6/10/2005 (Blog - English Version)
http://www.i66.com/ (Natalee Holloway News Feed)

Aruba White/Yellow Pages
http://arubayp.com/

Suspect's Personal Pages or Picture Album Locations
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14905439&Mytoken=20050613202923


Show/Interview TranscriptsTranscript: Van der Sloots Speak Out - On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak Out
Thursday, June 23, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 22, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

Transcript: Natalee's Friends  Go On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Natalee's Friends Go 'On the Record'
Wednesday, June 22, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 21, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.


Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)

http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long

B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.

D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse -  the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.

D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.

G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located

D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives

F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.

C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.

E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.


PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD
LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.

I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.

This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.

Examples

Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)



I DO NOT HAVE A PING LIST AND I DO NOT WISH TO MAKE ONE


Just a reminder that...
THIS IS A NO LARGE
PICTURE POSTING THREAD
(please do not post large pictures on the thread - small pictures are fine as well a links to the pictures)


This is a discussion thread about the daily occurrences in the Natalee Holloway Case.
It is located in "Chat" on Free Republic
It is not a thread for bashing Natalee - Natalee's Family or Natalee's Friends.
It also is not an ongoing discussion thread for any other cases.




TOPICS: US: Alabama; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: arrestedpaulvds; aruba; corruption; croes; daterapedrug; deepak; dutch; ghb; holloway; joran; kidnapped; mafia; missing; natalee; nataleeholloway; roofies; satish; sloot; tourism; travel; vandersloot
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To: brigette
For someone who should know how law enforcement works down there, pvds is just stupid! He either didn't know they could trace his bank actions and didn't know LE sometimes bugs houses and taps phones, or he was absolutely panic stricken, or thought due to his position, they'd cover for him.

Can't wait to find out how many other mistakes he's made.

981 posted on 06/24/2005 4:16:21 PM PDT by monkeywrench (Deut. 27:17 Cursed be he that removeth his neighbor's landmark)
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To: Palladin

Hmmm. Interesting perspective (if competing with me for typos).

More please.


982 posted on 06/24/2005 4:16:55 PM PDT by Dark Skies (F**k Allah!)
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To: Lizarde
What did PVDS mean when he said he "hopes his son stands up to the interogation". I found this a puzzling statement - accounting for misuse of English - I am trying to think what he could have meant to say (remember he is translating from Dutch in his head"...what could the Dutch be that he was thinking...? Anyone know Dutch - I know some German but cannot think of how this would be said in German. Bottom line, if taken literrally it sounds like he is saying I hope he doesn't confess.

Not only that, but I just saw an interesting exchange on MSNBC's Dan Abrams program. Dan 'went to town' with his questioning on an Aruban govt. representative. He point blank asked her if there was protections against giving damaging information about a father/son/mother, etc. She said that there was protections against having to testify or confess anything 'crime related' against a parent or child.

Dan then asked her if the suspects have to answer any and all questions or if they can refuse to answer. She said they can refuse to answer questions if they wish.

No wonder PvdS hopes Joran 'stands up to the interrogation'! Arrrrgh!

983 posted on 06/24/2005 4:17:19 PM PDT by demkicker (A skunk sat on a stump; the stump thunk the skunk stunk; the skunk thunk the stump stunk.)
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To: spectre
If Pappa VdS paid someone off

Don't think so.

No telling why he withdrew so much $....maybe he was going to send joran back to Holland til the heat died down?

Didn't count on his son being looked at so soon?

984 posted on 06/24/2005 4:19:06 PM PDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)
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To: Palladin
Anita VDS, the mother, has already heard her own son pass on the guilt to her, only she doesn't even realize it yet. Paraphrase "I wouldn't have gone out if you'd been home". What a great son he is!

sw

985 posted on 06/24/2005 4:19:46 PM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: sarasota
Beth has said she "knows" that at 3 a.m. her daughter was at JVS's home. How? No idea. Perhaps a call was traced, or perhaps that's where the "kidnappers" said they were holding her. That 3 a.m. time frame just stood out to me.

Did Natalee have a cell phone? If so is it possible that Natalee's cell phone rang Beth's cell phone unknowingly to whoever would have been in possession of it. This happens.

Snoop that I am, I just love it when I get those accidental phone calls and you can listen to what is going on if you so desire. :)

986 posted on 06/24/2005 4:21:03 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TexKat; spectre

From MSNBC web site:

Report: 3 missing N.J. boys found dead inside car trunk.


987 posted on 06/24/2005 4:21:30 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: brigette
I read somewhere that the authorities down there checked the dads banking records and found he went to the ATM the night the girl disappeared 3 times at 300 am. and 3.45 am in the morning. Seems strange to need cash that late,but then again it's a party town. But I thought the mom said her husband was sound asleep? Who knows?

I heard reports he was gambling that night. And that the wife was in Holland. That could explain a lot!

But who knows what reports are accurate, after some news outlet (Fox?) reported Natalee's body had been found a couple of weeks ago.

988 posted on 06/24/2005 4:21:42 PM PDT by gingersnaps
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To: demkicker
She said that there was protections against having to testify or confess anything 'crime related' against a parent or child.

Exception to that is, if a parent/child sees the other doing something illegal, then they must testify to it.

989 posted on 06/24/2005 4:22:06 PM PDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)
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To: Palladin

The remnants of the old colonial class system are still alive and well on Aruba, so the Kalpoe brothers are way down on the social scale and not likely to be invited to any VDS dinner parties. I really liked Mrs. Kalpoe, however. In her interview with Greta, she was sincere, simple, heartbroken, worried, and trying to keep her life together and her sons back. Mrs. VDS is busy blaming everybody else but Joran and Paulus at this point.


990 posted on 06/24/2005 4:22:07 PM PDT by hershey
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To: Howlin

Horrific. Prayers for them and their family.


991 posted on 06/24/2005 4:23:44 PM PDT by varina davis
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To: TexKat

Natalee left her cellphone in her bag at the hotel. It would not work on the island (so she thought). The one person who stayed behind was able to reprogram it so that it would work in Aruba and he used it to call Natalee mom with until they got the island.


992 posted on 06/24/2005 4:24:01 PM PDT by stlnative (I have tons of sharp cheese to hand out to the Natalee thread whiners. :-)
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To: Howlin

Oh god...thanks, Howlin


993 posted on 06/24/2005 4:24:14 PM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: spectre

They were in the trunk of one of the fathers' cars in the driveway???


994 posted on 06/24/2005 4:24:49 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin
Report: 3 missing N.J. boys found dead inside car trunk.

I just heard Howlin. Sad, so very sad!!

995 posted on 06/24/2005 4:26:00 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TexKat
this same person who stayed behind also used it to call Natalee's friends to find out what they knew. That is how they found out about Joran and when Natalee parents got to Aruba this one person had enough info to give to Natalee's parents The person is the chaperone that stayed behind.
996 posted on 06/24/2005 4:27:53 PM PDT by stlnative (I have tons of sharp cheese to hand out to the Natalee thread whiners. :-)
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To: monkeywrench

All true, PVDS was stupid about the ATM transactions and the rest of it, but he was between a rock and a hard place. If DJ demanded cash on the barrelhead for the boat trip that night, he had to come up with the money. Probably DJ wouldn't take a personal check and PVDS didn't have a thousand bucks lying around in spare change. He must have thought his position and the way the legal system worked would get them home free. Especially if they could blame it on somebody else. I wonder who thought up the security guard story.


997 posted on 06/24/2005 4:27:53 PM PDT by hershey
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To: Howlin
They were in the trunk of one of the fathers' cars in the driveway?

If this is true, then when mom came back out in the 5-10 minutes she says she was gone, wouldn't the kids have been yelling inside the trunk??

I would think so.

998 posted on 06/24/2005 4:27:55 PM PDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)
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To: TexKat

How very tragic!

I should think police would know by now to check the car trunk FIRST.

Too sad for words. They were darling little boys.


999 posted on 06/24/2005 4:28:57 PM PDT by Palladin (God Bless America!)
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To: the Deejay

So would I.


1,000 posted on 06/24/2005 4:29:13 PM PDT by Howlin
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