Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 3

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[stlnative]

Previous FR Natalee Holloway Threads...

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 2
Posted on 06/20/2005 12:14:36 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1426433/posts

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 1
Posted on 06/16/2005 11:43:44 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1424188/posts

Another Twist in Holloway Disappearance
Posted on 06/14/2005 11:24:41 AM CDT by PBRSTREETGANG
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1422593/posts

Ala. Teen's Mom: Men 'Know What Happened' (Natalee Holloway)
Posted on 06/13/2005 4:01:55 AM CDT by bd476
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1421756/posts

Natalee's body found... (false report)
Posted on 06/11/2005 1:05:50 PM CDT by kcvl
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1420967/posts

Holloway Not Only American Missing In Aruba
Posted on 06/08/2005 1:25:36 AM CDT by MassRepublicanFlyersFan
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418606/posts

Natalee Holloway (Aruba) 5 Men Now in Custody
Posted on 06/07/2005 3:35:36 PM CDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418322/posts

Aruba Info...

Full Aruba Island Maps
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif (BEST MAP)
http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/images/aruba2002.gif (good map but blurry)
http://www.aruba-tours.com/art/arubaattmap1.gif

Oranjestad Aruba Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/oranjestad2002.gif

San Nicolas Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/sannicolas2002.gif

Hotel Location Maps in the California Lighthouse Area
http://www.arubaluxurycondos.com/images/arubamap1.gif
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (NICE MAP)

Hotel Pictures - 
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (Map)

Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino - #1 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #101
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaar/phototour/auaar_phototour22.jpg?Log=1

Marriott's Aruba Ocean Club - #2 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #99
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaao/phototour/auaao_phototour01.jpg?Log=1

Holiday Inn Sunspree Resort - #3 on Map (both buildings are the Holiday Inn)
http://phototour.ichotelsgroup.com/hotelimages/AUAAN/WELCM_EXTR_02_D.jpg

Playa Linda Beach Resort - #4 on Map
http://www.playalinda.com/enghome.html

Manchebo Beach Area Map
http://www.mapsworldwide.com/mwwlive/itm_img/3897075008sam.gif

Aruba Beach Location Maps
http://www.arubariba.com/ArubamapBeachMap1.jpg
http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/maps/arubabeachmap.jpg (nice detailed map)

Aruba Township Location Map
http://www.arubarealestate.com/aruba_map/

Aruba Diving Location Maps
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/diving_a.html

Aruba Beach/Site Seeing Pictures
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/beaches.html

Aruba/Natalee - Blogs/Boards/Forums/News Feeds
http://bb.visitaruba.com/
http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/read.php?f=1&i=124287&t=124287&v=t
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/ (Forum) - POPULAR
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/ (Blogger in Aruba)
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://joranvandersloot.blogspot.com (Blog)
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=6/10/2005 (Blog - English Version)
http://www.i66.com/ (Natalee Holloway News Feed)

Aruba White/Yellow Pages
http://arubayp.com/

Suspect's Personal Pages or Picture Album Locations
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14905439&Mytoken=20050613202923

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Show/Interview TranscriptsTranscript: Van der Sloots Speak Out - On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak Out
Thursday, June 23, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 22, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

Transcript: Natalee's Friends  Go On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Natalee's Friends Go 'On the Record'
Wednesday, June 22, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 21, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

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Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)

http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long

B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.

D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse -  the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.

D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.

G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located

D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives

F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.

C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.

E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.

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PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD
LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.

I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.

This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.

Examples

Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)

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I DO NOT HAVE A PING LIST AND I DO NOT WISH TO MAKE ONE

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Just a reminder that...
THIS IS A NO LARGE
PICTURE POSTING THREAD
(please do not post large pictures on the thread - small pictures are fine as well a links to the pictures)

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This is a discussion thread about the daily occurrences in the Natalee Holloway Case.
It is located in "Chat" on Free Republic
It is not a thread for bashing Natalee - Natalee's Family or Natalee's Friends.
It also is not an ongoing discussion thread for any other cases.

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[gingersnaps]

To me the slave trade scenario sounds preposterous too.

But OTOH, I think it's hard to say for those of us who have little knowledge of the seamier side of life in the Caribbean. Wasn't there another girl who disappeared from a cruise ship docking in Aruba a couple of years ago? Seems to me there were theories abounding that that was what had happened to her.

Anybody else see Greta van Susteren come on Shepard Smith's show at around 3:30pm today (Friday 6/25)?

Greta just voiced the theory that I've had for a couple of weeks now.

She proposed a scenario where Joran vdS and Natalee had been alone on the beach --not the remote one, but the one near the hotels-- and that Joran left her there to walk back to her hotel, which according to Greta is only 300-500 yards away.

She said that Natalee would have to have passed "hundreds of people" on that beach to get back to the hotel. (What time frame Greta was talking about, I don't know. But presumably she knows what she's talking about and knows there could be hundreds of people on that beach at whatever hour.)

Greta seems to think there's a good possibility someone else on the beach kidnapped Natalee after Joran left.

Greta continued to emphasize that "they should focus hard on Joran --BUT I wouldn't put all my eggs in that basket. It could have been someone else and they should follow ALL leads." [paraphrased]

(Greta also didn't seem very focused on whatever implications might be drawn from Mr. van der Sloot's arrest. I got the impression she thinks that may be just a pressure tactic.)

The inevitable question of course is "If Joran didn't kill her, why then did he lie about dropping her off at the hotel?"

I don't know, but I do know teenagers lie about relatively small things when they're scared (so do many adults). Maybe he knew he'd done a wrong thing in abandoning her in a drunk state and was afraid of being in trouble for that.

Supporting that theory would be the report that one Surinamese boys told the security guard (one of the two who'd also been arrested) that they lied because they thought Natalee would show up unharmed in a day or two.

Anyway, I don't claim any special insight into who dunnit (nor if anyone done anything for that matter); am just relaying what Greta van Susteren now seems to think is a plausible scenario. And still praying that the girl is found alive.

[texasbluebell]

Thanks, I completely missed that it was old news. I can't keep up anymore!

[looney tune]

bookmark bump

[stlnative]

It's ok... Fox just confirmed it and received the correct wording for the charge. Most of us knew it late last night.

[dc-zoo]

I never heard them say "premeditated" before. That part is the reason for the "Fox News Alert".

[cajungirl]

I am sort of surprised at how brutal the tactics are in Aruba,,

[af_vet_1981]

The inevitable question of course is "If Joran didn't kill her, why then did he lie about dropping her off at the hotel?"

He could have slipped her the drug, delivered her to be raped by a group, and then left her after his turn. The mother is adamant there are others involved and he knows what happened to her. He doesn't want to tell the truth about what he did but it is possible he does not know her end.

[af_vet_1981]

Supporting that theory would be the report that one Surinamese boys told the security guard (one of the two who'd also been arrested) that they lied because they thought Natalee would show up unharmed in a day or two.

Indicating they might of had their turns too and left her to the others

[PBRSTREETGANG]

Let me preface this by saying that I think JVDS is guilty.

That said, I could see a father wishing for his son to be able to endure the rigors of repeated interrogations for false accusations ... and translating it badly.

(I don't, however, believe that that is the case here.)

[NCjim]

Bookmark

[Howlin]

(Mumbles to self) I just CANNOT handle those theads "out there" today. The UnAppeasables and The Malcontents are out in full force.

I'm sticking with you guys.

[Howlin]

Hiya, Jim.

[truthluva]

ping

[af_vet_1981]

Mumbles to self) I just CANNOT handle those theads "out there" today. The UnAppeasables and The Malcontents are out in full force. I'm sticking with you guys.

This is a topic that brings all people of good will together, praying and hoping for Natalee to be delivered safely.

[gingersnaps]

He doesn't want to tell the truth about what he did but it is possible he does not know her end.

Yes, I think that's a plausible reason they're not getting any leads out of these boys -- because the boys just might not know what happened to her after they left.

An investigator who came on right after Greta seemed to be thinking in that direction too. He said the fact that investigators apparently weren't getting any helpful info out of any of the five boys arrested, after all this time, might be that there was little to get out of them [paraphrased].

[Howlin]

Don't I know it; I'm even agreeing with you. :-)