Posted on 06/23/2005 10:44:51 AM PDT by stlnative
Previous FR Natalee Holloway Threads...
Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 2
Posted on 06/20/2005 12:14:36 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1426433/posts
Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 1
Posted on 06/16/2005 11:43:44 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1424188/posts
Another Twist in Holloway Disappearance
Posted on 06/14/2005 11:24:41 AM CDT by PBRSTREETGANG
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1422593/posts
Ala. Teen's Mom: Men 'Know What Happened' (Natalee Holloway)
Posted on 06/13/2005 4:01:55 AM CDT by bd476
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1421756/posts
Natalee's body found... (false report)
Posted on 06/11/2005 1:05:50 PM CDT by kcvl
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1420967/posts
Holloway Not Only American Missing In Aruba
Posted on 06/08/2005 1:25:36 AM CDT by MassRepublicanFlyersFan
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418606/posts
Natalee Holloway (Aruba) 5 Men Now in Custody
Posted on 06/07/2005 3:35:36 PM CDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418322/posts
Aruba Info...
Full Aruba Island Maps
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif (BEST MAP)
http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/images/aruba2002.gif (good map but blurry)
http://www.aruba-tours.com/art/arubaattmap1.gif
Oranjestad Aruba Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/oranjestad2002.gif
San Nicolas Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/sannicolas2002.gif
Hotel Location Maps in the California Lighthouse Area
http://www.arubaluxurycondos.com/images/arubamap1.gif
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (NICE MAP)
Hotel Pictures -
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (Map)
Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino - #1 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #101
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaar/phototour/auaar_phototour22.jpg?Log=1
Marriott's Aruba Ocean Club - #2 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #99
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaao/phototour/auaao_phototour01.jpg?Log=1
Holiday Inn Sunspree Resort - #3 on Map (both buildings are the Holiday Inn)
http://phototour.ichotelsgroup.com/hotelimages/AUAAN/WELCM_EXTR_02_D.jpg
Playa Linda Beach Resort - #4 on Map
http://www.playalinda.com/enghome.html
Manchebo Beach Area Map
http://www.mapsworldwide.com/mwwlive/itm_img/3897075008sam.gif
Aruba Beach Location Maps
http://www.arubariba.com/ArubamapBeachMap1.jpg
http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/maps/arubabeachmap.jpg (nice detailed map)
Aruba Township Location Map
http://www.arubarealestate.com/aruba_map/
Aruba Diving Location Maps
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/diving_a.html
Aruba Beach/Site Seeing Pictures
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/beaches.html
Aruba/Natalee - Blogs/Boards/Forums/News Feeds
http://bb.visitaruba.com/
http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/read.php?f=1&i=124287&t=124287&v=t
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/ (Forum) - POPULAR
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/ (Blogger in Aruba)
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://joranvandersloot.blogspot.com (Blog)
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=6/10/2005 (Blog - English Version)
http://www.i66.com/ (Natalee Holloway News Feed)
Aruba White/Yellow Pages
http://arubayp.com/
Suspect's Personal Pages or Picture Album Locations
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14905439&Mytoken=20050613202923
Show/Interview TranscriptsTranscript: Van der Sloots Speak Out - On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak Out
Thursday, June 23, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 22, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.
Transcript: Natalee's Friends Go On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Natalee's Friends Go 'On the Record'
Wednesday, June 22, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 21, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.
Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif
The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long
B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.
D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse - the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.
D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.
G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located
D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives
F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.
C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.
E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.
PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD
LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.
I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.
This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.
Examples
Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif
or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)
I DO NOT HAVE A PING LIST AND I DO NOT WISH TO MAKE ONE
Just a reminder that...
THIS IS A NO LARGE
PICTURE POSTING THREAD
(please do not post large pictures on the thread - small pictures are fine as well a links to the pictures)
This is a discussion thread about the daily occurrences in the Natalee Holloway Case.
It is located in "Chat" on Free Republic
It is not a thread for bashing Natalee - Natalee's Family or Natalee's Friends.
It also is not an ongoing discussion thread for any other cases.
Good night all, I need to get a couple of hours sleep. Will see you guys in a bit. Stay prayerful for Natalee and for our troops that are in harms way.
stay up for a minute... I have something to tell you - will post it next
I watching Greta again. I have TIVO so I can replay it at any point. There is a cut right in the middle of where Anita is talking about Joran telling her he would have not snuck out if she would have beenn there, then Anita starts say but my husband and BOOM there is a jump in the video a clear cut in it.
I wonder if she said sommething about PVDS that made the police bring him in and Great had it cut out of the video at request of the police. You can tell it just a small blurp cut out...
Too cute!
Here is the section with the video clipped out (word for word)
Greta: One of the things you told me yesterday is about a house rule and that when he came home with his father the night of May 29th that his father picked him up at McDonalds. He sneaked out, did that violate the house rules?
Anita: (nods head "yes") - He did.
Greta: Do you know if he had been doing other things behind your back, I mean is it possible that you just don't know being the loving mother (Anita: overtalking Greta - no...I just don't know). I mean is that possible.
Anita: You know when I asked him - I was in Holland then, that weekend, or a week because of a family celebration and umm When I spoke to him the first time I was so angry - so angry with him. I said... Why did you sneak out of the house? - He said, Mom If you would of been there I wouldn't of thought about it and my husband was... (JUMP IN VIDEO, even with a rooster crowing in the background is cut off)
(WORDING AFTER JUMP IN VIDEO)
Anita: So ahhh, I don't think Joran is someone who, who would do things against the house rules, often. I don't think so. He is a normal teenager, you remember how you were when you were a teenager. I remember how I was when I was a 17 year old. Of course you try to come home a little bit later everytime but ummm he was ready to stand on his own feet so we gave him a little bit more freedom, just to know that we trusted him and yes he could go out once a weekend and it was almost party time because it was the middle of their exams, it was almost over. So I don't see anything negative about that.
Greta: What has been seized from this house.
No I haven't. I want to take my kids to DC for a vacation this winter and see some historic battlefields while out there. Gettysburg is one. The hike to Little Roundtop seems mandatory.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1429067/posts?page=623
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1429067/posts?page=626
Here is the section with the video with clip out of it (word for word) - this was done the day or the day before Paulus Van Der Sloot was arrested. The jump in the video is VERY obvious. I was watching live and noticed the jump and luckily I have TIVO so I could rewind it and watch as well as listen to it again and again.
Greta: One of the things you told me yesterday is about a house rule and that when he came home with his father the night of May 29th that his father picked him up at McDonalds. He sneaked out, did that violate the house rules?
Anita: (nods head "yes") - He did.
Greta: Do you know if he had been doing other things behind your back, I mean is it possible that you just don't know being the loving mother (Anita: overtalking Greta - no...I just don't know). I mean is that possible.
Anita: You know when I asked him - I was in Holland then, that weekend, or a week because of a family celebration and umm When I spoke to him the first time I was so angry - so angry with him. I said... Why did you sneak out of the house? - He said, Mom If you would of been there I wouldn't of thought about it and my husband was... (JUMP IN VIDEO, even with a rooster crowing in the background is cut off)
(WORDING AFTER JUMP IN VIDEO)
Anita: So ahhh, I don't think Joran is someone who, who would do things against the house rules, often. I don't think so. He is a normal teenager, you remember how you were when you were a teenager. I remember how I was when I was a 17 year old. Of course you try to come home a little bit later everytime but ummm he was ready to stand on his own feet so we gave him a little bit more freedom, just to know that we trusted him and yes he could go out once a weekend and it was almost party time because it was the middle of their exams, it was almost over. So I don't see anything negative about that.
Greta: What has been seized from this house?
Great catch.
SM:
Q. What can you tell me about this Lorenzo... so I can do some research on him. All I know is that he suppose to a son to Paulus Van Der Sloot.
A. He's allegedly 26-27 years old. IF the vdSloot part of his story is true, which I still doubt highly, he would most likely have been born in Holland, possibly Arnehm, where Paulus lived when he was married to Anita and they had Joran.
(I don't know that Arnehm is Paulus's hometown, but it's a known place to start.) We've heard that Paul was a school teacher before he got into government service in Aruba 10 years ago and did whatever legal training he is supposed to have, whether he has a law degree or not.
Paulus's job in Aruba for the past few years has been as one of the department of Liaison between The Netherlands and Aruba--and I believe, others of the Dutch Antilles. That is KABNAA and he was appointed to a 3-year term ending in Jan 2006, except that he evidently has been let go since all this started.
So, who is Lorenzo's mother? Could it be the Deborah vRijn in Oranjestad, perhaps a widow, or is that just too easy?
Lorenzo's "father" on Aruba is said to have been the Volkswagen dealer on the island and he committed suicide three years ago. The VW dealership that is there now is:
R & S Automotive N.V.
Address: Barcadera 4
Phone: (297) 585-3004 / (297) 585-3008
Fax: (297) 585-9115
Note that it's on Barcadera, not sure exactly where that address is, but one of the very earliest searches for Natalee was in the Barcadera area. I suppose someone could call them and ask questions about the former (late) owner. He was said to be well known, obviously, since he was a car dealer who needed to have his company name out in the public.
Lorenzo is said to have two homes on far opposite sides of the island--one a mansion and one brightly painted (may be the same one). Other vague details are that he has a basement in one of these houses, which is rare on Aruba (if not non-existent, IMO); that he gives "underground" parties, meaning *raves*, which are unruly and unsupervised; that he is "crazy" himself, or perhaps "touched in the head" since his father's death; that he owns a speedboat; and that he was called in for questioning in Nat's disappearance, just before SG Croes was, but he was not detained.
AND MY HUSBAND WAS...
at the casino blowing all our savings.
was sound asleep in the bedroom.
was in the shower.
was in the kitchen eating something.
was in the bedroom picking his nose.
I BET WHAT EVER SHE SAID WAS OF COURSE WHAT PVDS SAID HE WAS DOING BUT I BET IT DIDN'T MATCH UP WITH WHAT HE TOLD POLICE.
That's going to drive me nuts!
I've reread it numerous times.
** Before I forget, here's a great map to add to the collection.
http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=12.564583,-70.035954&spn=0.089264,0.123081&z=4&t=k&hl=en
Thanks for the map...
I added it so that it will be on the next thread header.
Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak (Part 1)
Thursday, June 23, 2005
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160471,00.html
Beth believes Natalee was at the vdS home at 3:00 am. I wondering how that plays into this.
I was reading a tin foil theory at RWV that junior and the brothers may have been on a mission for dear ol' dad. Perhaps dad was the one looking for a little action that night. Maybe that's why JvdS tells mom if she was home he would not have "thought about it," (sneaking out).
It's late, I'll ponder that thought more after some sleep.
That's the part of the interview that drove me insane, particularly when Anita was talking about house rules.
Im not buying this story and here are the reasons why:
saw something he wasn't supposed to see. I'm thinking a drug drop or shippment
Why would professional drug traffickers make their drop on a popular beach known to be a lovers lane with people there all hours of the night?..no doubt there are more secret places on the island they could have found to make a drug drop..
The people that were there, including Steve Crose, know that they cannot let Natalee get away but they can't make the son of a judge disappear so easily.
The author of this story is saying that the drug traffickers recognized JVD?..on a dark beach in the middle of the night?.. as being the son of a judge?..How so?
If you try to argue that they use night vision and JVD knew them because he was involved with drug trafficking then why the question of making him disappear?.. he's part of the clan..Steve Crose is his friend..JVD is not going to tell on them
Why would it be any more difficult making JVD disappear than anybody else? They could have easily dumped him off in the middle of the ocean as well
One more thing I would like to note if JVD had any sincere interest in NH then why didn't he show up at the C&C until last call?..Remember he was out until 11 pm that night before he called pops for a ride home..If you ask me his plan was to get there just in time to "catch" her before she got away!
Your post about the boys maybe involved with the father in getting a girl has reminded me of a tickle site, when I was following kids and their friends around, where a girl talked about "liking Joran's father". It was on a connection to the brother's site. I remember noting it but not making much of it other than the girl, a friend of the younger brother, Valentijn, knew the father and commented on him, it surprised me.
Yes, I see (#526). And I'm glad to see someone else had the same impression I had. Thanks.
I've been gone a few days but I thought they were middle class?
The mom teaches art at the International School & the dad is a civil servant--conflicting stories about exact nature of what he does. To keep in mind--cost of living in Aruba.
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