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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 3
Link to previous thread ^ | 6/23/05 | freepers

Posted on 06/23/2005 10:44:51 AM PDT by stlnative

Previous FR Natalee Holloway Threads...

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 2
Posted on 06/20/2005 12:14:36 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1426433/posts

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 1
Posted on 06/16/2005 11:43:44 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1424188/posts

Another Twist in Holloway Disappearance
Posted on 06/14/2005 11:24:41 AM CDT by PBRSTREETGANG
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1422593/posts

Ala. Teen's Mom: Men 'Know What Happened' (Natalee Holloway)
Posted on 06/13/2005 4:01:55 AM CDT by bd476
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1421756/posts

Natalee's body found... (false report)
Posted on 06/11/2005 1:05:50 PM CDT by kcvl
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1420967/posts

Holloway Not Only American Missing In Aruba
Posted on 06/08/2005 1:25:36 AM CDT by MassRepublicanFlyersFan
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418606/posts

Natalee Holloway (Aruba) 5 Men Now in Custody
Posted on 06/07/2005 3:35:36 PM CDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418322/posts

Aruba Info...

Full Aruba Island Maps
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif (BEST MAP)
http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/images/aruba2002.gif (good map but blurry)
http://www.aruba-tours.com/art/arubaattmap1.gif

Oranjestad Aruba Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/oranjestad2002.gif

San Nicolas Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/sannicolas2002.gif

Hotel Location Maps in the California Lighthouse Area
http://www.arubaluxurycondos.com/images/arubamap1.gif
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (NICE MAP)

Hotel Pictures
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (Map)

Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino - #1 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #101
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaar/phototour/auaar_phototour22.jpg?Log=1

Marriott's Aruba Ocean Club - #2 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #99
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaao/phototour/auaao_phototour01.jpg?Log=1

Holiday Inn Sunspree Resort - #3 on Map (both buildings are the Holiday Inn)
http://phototour.ichotelsgroup.com/hotelimages/AUAAN/WELCM_EXTR_02_D.jpg

Playa Linda Beach Resort - #4 on Map
http://www.playalinda.com/enghome.html

Manchebo Beach Area Map
http://www.mapsworldwide.com/mwwlive/itm_img/3897075008sam.gif

Aruba Beach Location Maps
http://www.arubariba.com/ArubamapBeachMap1.jpg
http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/maps/arubabeachmap.jpg (nice detailed map)

Aruba Township Location Map
http://www.arubarealestate.com/aruba_map/

Aruba Diving Location Maps
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/diving_a.html

Aruba Beach/Site Seeing Pictures
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/beaches.html

Aruba/Natalee - Blogs/Boards/Forums/News Feeds
http://bb.visitaruba.com/
http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/read.php?f=1&i=124287&t=124287&v=t
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/ (Forum) - POPULAR
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/ (Blogger in Aruba)
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://joranvandersloot.blogspot.com (Blog)
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=6/10/2005 (Blog - English Version)
http://www.i66.com/ (Natalee Holloway News Feed)

Aruba White/Yellow Pages
http://arubayp.com/

Suspect's Personal Pages or Picture Album Locations
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14905439&Mytoken=20050613202923


Show/Interview TranscriptsTranscript: Van der Sloots Speak Out - On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak Out
Thursday, June 23, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 22, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

Transcript: Natalee's Friends  Go On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Natalee's Friends Go 'On the Record'
Wednesday, June 22, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 21, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.


Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)

http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long

B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.

D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse -  the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.

D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.

G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located

D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives

F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.

C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.

E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.


PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD
LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.

I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.

This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.

Examples

Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)



I DO NOT HAVE A PING LIST AND I DO NOT WISH TO MAKE ONE


Just a reminder that...
THIS IS A NO LARGE
PICTURE POSTING THREAD
(please do not post large pictures on the thread - small pictures are fine as well a links to the pictures)


This is a discussion thread about the daily occurrences in the Natalee Holloway Case.
It is located in "Chat" on Free Republic
It is not a thread for bashing Natalee - Natalee's Family or Natalee's Friends.
It also is not an ongoing discussion thread for any other cases.




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To: shield

Agree on how Beth looked when leaving VDS house...she looked like she was on a mission...to get to the FBI liaison as quickly as possible to tell about the discrepancies from PVDS. Maybe she even had a small tape recorder with her? (Which makes me wonder if taping a person without permission and surreptitiously is legal in Aruba.)


461 posted on 06/23/2005 9:20:11 PM PDT by Palladin (God Bless America!)
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To: Palladin

after Satish drops Joran off at Joran's house - Satish goes home. One of the brothers said something in the beginning that they were at Joran's on Monday around the pool and that is when the plan came up about saying they drop Natalee off at the HI. So it is likely the brothers really don't know what happened to her...only that "something bad happened". Maybe they were blackmailed by Joran and maybe the father also on the day they were around the pool at Joran's. If Deepak deals drugs that might be somewhat enough, but then they all know they were the last ones to see her and others saw Natalee getting into Deepaks car with all 3 of them. Maybe Joran or Joran's father told them that they would pin it on the brothers if they talked about what they knew. - Flat out Blackmail - Now that Daddy is in Jail - I heard a rumor today that they were thinking about letting the 2 brother go. Maybe the cops promised them they would bring in the father and hold him if they would talk. Maybe the reassured the brothers finally that they know the brothers were being blackmailed. Maybe there is some trust now between the brothers and Aruba police.


462 posted on 06/23/2005 9:20:11 PM PDT by stlnative (I have tons of sharp cheese to hand out to the Natalee thread whiners. :-)
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To: Howlin

Who would have ever thought...


463 posted on 06/23/2005 9:20:28 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin

I heard them say that. Beth seems convinced that Natalee is alive, so she is either in supreme denial or she knows something not yet revealed. I'm hoping for the latter.


464 posted on 06/23/2005 9:22:28 PM PDT by Carolinamom (After 9/11 conservatives prepared to fight terrorism; liberals, counseling and negotiation.)
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To: TexKat

Very interesting posts from Riehl World. I wouldn't be surprised if the ranson is true. If true, I so hope it works. This might explain why the interest by Senator Shelby and others, plus the FBI.

Also, as I've mentioned before, the C & C Bar of Aruba was mentioned in the Amy Bradley case. That's a biggie. I'm watching the re-run of Larry King. Natalee's Dad and Step-mom seem to think someone has her and she is alive. I think, they might believe the Dad of Juran is the King Pin in this case. Hopefully if the Dad knows anything, he will stop the games and tell them who has Natalee and she will be returned to her family, safe and sound.


465 posted on 06/23/2005 9:25:09 PM PDT by Pepper777
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To: brigette

Could be. Satish was allowed to see his Mom and talk at length. I think his involvement is the lightest in all this. He told his mom to stop crying...he would be out soon.

I am certain it was Paul VDS' idea to blame the black security guards. When that didn't pan out, Plan B was to blame Deepak and Satish.

Let's see what Papa VDS has to say after two days in jail.


466 posted on 06/23/2005 9:25:10 PM PDT by Palladin (God Bless America!)
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To: Howlin
Did anybody else hear that?

Yes I did hear Natalee's aunt Linda Allison say that.

And this is probably why Beth continues to believe and state that Natalee is alive.

Also this may bring back into play the report of the reporter Herbert Teal Saturday before last that they and LE was following 3 men and 2 women that had Natalee.

467 posted on 06/23/2005 9:26:07 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Howlin
Wonder where these boys are?

Hopefully locked up in a room somewhere where they can't sneak out at night. /sarcasm

The middle one also see himself as a PIMP - he has personal websites also. I think he is only 15 years old.
468 posted on 06/23/2005 9:27:41 PM PDT by stlnative (I have tons of sharp cheese to hand out to the Natalee thread whiners. :-)
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To: Howlin

Have you really... hehehehehehe .. too funny. That place goes nuts sometimes.

Those kids all look exactly alike. Is that the Mom? If so, she looks different now. Maybe the stress of Juran. :(


469 posted on 06/23/2005 9:28:59 PM PDT by Pepper777
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To: Pepper777

Very sad, isn't it?


470 posted on 06/23/2005 9:29:25 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: TexKat

Let's see, we have five in custoy, and we had two released, now add the others you just mentioned and we'd have 10 plus people, which is the number they have been mentioning that "might" be arrested.


471 posted on 06/23/2005 9:30:52 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: brigette
So it is likely the brothers really don't know what happened to her...only that "something bad happened".

In the past few days I've read the brothers and possibly Joran have stated they thought Natalee would turn up in a crack house somewhere. If true that gives some validity to the kidnapping/sex slavery theory.

Also, in those situations, it's not unusual for the sellers or the handlers to break in the victim before shipping her off. The victims are primed through drugs and rape (Daddy and Joran??). Just a thought.

472 posted on 06/23/2005 9:33:43 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: brigette; TexKat; Carolinamom

I just cannot get over this "premeditated murder" charge.


473 posted on 06/23/2005 9:34:13 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin

It sure is.


474 posted on 06/23/2005 9:34:23 PM PDT by Pepper777
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To: Howlin; bluepistolero

Murders often turn into purported suicides when the truth is less convenient.

Here's something from Dan Riehl as of June 19:

http://www.legendgames.net/showstory.asp?page=blognews/stories/WN0000237.txt

"A reliable source on the island of Aruba has confirmed reports of a recent murder / decapitation, and also confirmed reports of another murder currently under investigation in Aruba. A third report regarding a possible new missing person report filed today has not been confirmed at this time."


475 posted on 06/23/2005 9:34:29 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: Howlin

Also keep in mind that on Greta tonight Beth stated that she hoped that Natalee had not been raped or killed.


476 posted on 06/23/2005 9:34:47 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: All

As much as I want Natalee to be still alive... Can I ask these questions?

Why did they pick Natalee? - Why is she the first American female to be taken off the "island"? How would they know who she was and who her family was, she was only there a 5 days. The surely would not know she was from money and really the family is not loaded.

Why send involve 3 boys - why not send Joran by himself?

The place is crawling with pretty young women that could have been an easier target than Natalee.

Was she passed out a Joran took her home with him and Daddy thought, hmmm let's sell her to someone instead of taking her back to the hotel?


477 posted on 06/23/2005 9:36:11 PM PDT by stlnative (I have tons of sharp cheese to hand out to the Natalee thread whiners. :-)
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To: Howlin
Let's see, we have five in custoy, and we had two released, now add the others you just mentioned and we'd have 10 plus people

I believe that was the # of people that I counted that was involved Saturday before last.

478 posted on 06/23/2005 9:37:25 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TexKat

" Also this may bring back into play the report of the reporter Herbert Teal Saturday before last that they and LE was following 3 men and 2 women that had Natalee.""

I actually forgot about the 3 men and 2 woman. Maybe it was true after all. As strange as the Sex/Slave Trade thing seemed to be, I've had a feeling it might be a good possibility due to Amy Bradley. Maybe those parents will get some answers to their hedious nightmare too. I sure hope so.


479 posted on 06/23/2005 9:38:30 PM PDT by Pepper777
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To: brigette
Why did they pick Natalee? - Why is she the first American female to be taken off the "island"?

The first person that we are aware of.

480 posted on 06/23/2005 9:38:37 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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