Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 3

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Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 2
Posted on 06/20/2005 12:14:36 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1426433/posts

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 1
Posted on 06/16/2005 11:43:44 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1424188/posts

Another Twist in Holloway Disappearance
Posted on 06/14/2005 11:24:41 AM CDT by PBRSTREETGANG
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1422593/posts

Ala. Teen's Mom: Men 'Know What Happened' (Natalee Holloway)
Posted on 06/13/2005 4:01:55 AM CDT by bd476
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1421756/posts

Natalee's body found... (false report)
Posted on 06/11/2005 1:05:50 PM CDT by kcvl
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1420967/posts

Holloway Not Only American Missing In Aruba
Posted on 06/08/2005 1:25:36 AM CDT by MassRepublicanFlyersFan
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418606/posts

Natalee Holloway (Aruba) 5 Men Now in Custody
Posted on 06/07/2005 3:35:36 PM CDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418322/posts

Aruba Info...

Full Aruba Island Maps
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif (BEST MAP)
http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/images/aruba2002.gif (good map but blurry)
http://www.aruba-tours.com/art/arubaattmap1.gif

Oranjestad Aruba Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/oranjestad2002.gif

San Nicolas Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/sannicolas2002.gif

Hotel Location Maps in the California Lighthouse Area
http://www.arubaluxurycondos.com/images/arubamap1.gif
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (NICE MAP)

Hotel Pictures - 
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (Map)

Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino - #1 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #101
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaar/phototour/auaar_phototour22.jpg?Log=1

Marriott's Aruba Ocean Club - #2 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #99
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaao/phototour/auaao_phototour01.jpg?Log=1

Holiday Inn Sunspree Resort - #3 on Map (both buildings are the Holiday Inn)
http://phototour.ichotelsgroup.com/hotelimages/AUAAN/WELCM_EXTR_02_D.jpg

Playa Linda Beach Resort - #4 on Map
http://www.playalinda.com/enghome.html

Manchebo Beach Area Map
http://www.mapsworldwide.com/mwwlive/itm_img/3897075008sam.gif

Aruba Beach Location Maps
http://www.arubariba.com/ArubamapBeachMap1.jpg
http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/maps/arubabeachmap.jpg (nice detailed map)

Aruba Township Location Map
http://www.arubarealestate.com/aruba_map/

Aruba Diving Location Maps
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/diving_a.html

Aruba Beach/Site Seeing Pictures
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/beaches.html

Aruba/Natalee - Blogs/Boards/Forums/News Feeds
http://bb.visitaruba.com/
http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/read.php?f=1&i=124287&t=124287&v=t
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/ (Forum) - POPULAR
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/ (Blogger in Aruba)
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://joranvandersloot.blogspot.com (Blog)
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=6/10/2005 (Blog - English Version)
http://www.i66.com/ (Natalee Holloway News Feed)

Aruba White/Yellow Pages
http://arubayp.com/

Suspect's Personal Pages or Picture Album Locations
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14905439&Mytoken=20050613202923

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Show/Interview TranscriptsTranscript: Van der Sloots Speak Out - On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak Out
Thursday, June 23, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 22, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

Transcript: Natalee's Friends  Go On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Natalee's Friends Go 'On the Record'
Wednesday, June 22, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 21, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

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Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)

http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long

B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.

D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse -  the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.

D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.

G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located

D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives

F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.

C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.

E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.

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PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD
LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.

I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.

This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.

Examples

Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)

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I DO NOT HAVE A PING LIST AND I DO NOT WISH TO MAKE ONE

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Just a reminder that...
THIS IS A NO LARGE
PICTURE POSTING THREAD
(please do not post large pictures on the thread - small pictures are fine as well a links to the pictures)

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This is a discussion thread about the daily occurrences in the Natalee Holloway Case.
It is located in "Chat" on Free Republic
It is not a thread for bashing Natalee - Natalee's Family or Natalee's Friends.
It also is not an ongoing discussion thread for any other cases.

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[spectre]

How DARE you go away, and not let us know :)..I was worried about ya, you know. Was getting ready to call out the National Guard..LOL.

sw

[the Deejay]

You have Freepmail.

[eartotheground]

This is from a tour someone took:

We have done jeep tours in the past, and wanted to try something different on this trip. We went on the Rumba Ramblers tours, and had a great time. You’ll have a guide who knows Aruba, and will be able to give you a lot of information. You’ll see the highlights, and you won’t get filthy like you do on a jeep tour. The car has a canvas covering, so you won’t get overheated sitting out under the hot sun. They pick you up at your hotel and bring you to a cunucu house for a continental breakfast (mimosas, danish, fresh fruit, coffee, etc.). You pay for the tour here, and make your choice for lunch. You leave by the back gate and drive through the cactus until you’re back on the road. You stop at the

****lighthouse, the coast to watch the pounding surf, Alto Vista Chapel, baby blow hole, gold mine ruins, *****old shark feeding grounds******, Natural Bridge, Ayo Rock formations, and the Donkey Sanctuary, and they have lemonade for whenever you’re thirsty.
After the tour, you have lunch at ****Carlos ‘N Charlies. In addition to the meal you ordered that morning, you get a fee drink of your choice. They also started us out with a shot of the Sex on the Beach drink, and then came around with a Sombrero and serape. When they put the Sombrero and serape on you,

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they pour tequila down your throat. However, if you aren’t interested in doing this, they won’t force you.

Just google "aruba shark feeding grounds". I can't remember, but I think its near the lighthouse or the "natural bridge"

[TexKat]

Natalee Holloway a wòrdu asesiná ? (2)

Latest developments in The Netherlands (Tuesday)On Monday night the Dutch news program NOVA covered the latest developments in the Natalee Holloway case and also interviewed Beth Holloway who indicated that after the release of Paul van der Sloot on Sunday, she is now more frustrated then before. During the program the reporter, who was transmitting live from Aruba, was asked by the presenter why the American media is dedicating so much attention to this case. The presenter said that this case is naturally awful but he doesn’t understand why out of the whole United States one missing girl is getting so much media attention. The reporter said that stories of missing American girls come along from time to time and most times one of the stories in particular is picked up by the American media and is broadly broadcasted. The reported continued by saying that after the networks see that the story is popular and that a lot of people a tuning in to see it, they continue to cover it as long as the ratings are high. The reporter also said that the Holloway family is ‘well-to-do’ and has many (political) connections and that this has certainly played a role in getting more media coverage.

Beth Holloway confirmed in NOVA that the second hand information she got indicated that Joran van der Sloot was/is a ‘player’ who was good at seducing and went especially after American girls who visit Aruba. At the end of the interview Beth said that she knows that Natalee is in Aruba and that she will never leave without her daughter. You can view the report by NOVA here.

Hasibokos.com has also learned that the Aruban justice minister, Rudy Croes, requested the Dutch government to get involved and defend the Aruban authorities who are conducting the case. According to Croes since the disappearance of Natelee Holloway, Aruba is being portrayed as a criminal paradise with a useless judicial system by the media. As Croes sees it, the reputation of both Aruba and The Netherlands are at stake here and he fears that this would have a negative long term effect on the Aruban tourism development.

[onyx]

What are you implying? Southern justice?

[johnb838]

Did you see where they were talking about "Here we sit, night after night, and nothing changes?" It was sad.

[Howlin]

As Croes sees it, the reputation of both Aruba and The Netherlands are at stake here and he fears that this would have a negative long term effect on the Aruban tourism development.

This coming from the man who said Natalee was dead.

[Peach]

Did you see where they were talking about "Here we sit, night after night, and nothing changes?" It was sad.

Yes. And just begging for someone to help. It was horrible.

[spectre]

Well, you have to admit, we're not used to the way they do things in Aruba. We have learned alot about their legal system :)

I do think since Joran is sticking to this story, it would be prudent to check out the witnesses who saw a girl taken from the beach that early morning.

Playing Devil's advocate, it's possible that Joran was too embarrassed at first to admit he left her on the Beach. Natalee could have rebuffed his advances, and he stomped off in frustration leaving her behind, as if to say "to hell with you, girl"..

I realize it's not a popular thing to even suggest, but we do need to explore all avenues, IMHO.

sw

[onyx]

Sex slave? FGS!

JVDS lied from the get go. He knows what happened. Poor Natalee is just an expendable American tourist girl in the eyes of the elder VDS and his son. Certainly not worth ruining his son's great future.

[Howlin]

I want to know what Paulus did all day Monday.

And I also think that there is no way Natalee was Joran's "first."

Why aren't we hearing from other American girls who have had some sort of experience with him?

[johnb838]

When someone goes missing here in America, and I suspect it happens every day, should the character of whole country or legal system be called into question?

Yes, it's what gets me out of bed in the morning.

[the Deejay]

a criminal paradise with a useless judicial system

Perhaps if they weren't so tight-liped w/no info on the investigation, they wouldn't be portrayed as "useless."

Maybe they might want to rethink their ivestigative non-information giving to the media.

[onyx]

But that would have been the easiest lie. Instead they named the security guards. Nope, him leaving her on the beach, does not wash.

[Howlin]

Yes, it's what gets me out of bed in the morning.

:-)

[TexKat]

Nova video: Beth Holloway Twitty

Amerika is in rep en roer door de vermissing van de Amerikaanse scholiere Natalee Holloway op Aruba.

[Trust but Verify]

I am only quoting others, the notion is preposterous. Some of the people who are so conversant on this topic discussed it at length. Every time I have tried to inject a little sanity into the discussion, I am ganged up on by the rest. Go figure.

[devane617]

>>non-information giving to the media<<

I'm surprised the Aruban authorities have not kicked the media out already. Seems like I have seen FOX reporters involved in ways that would never fly here in th U.S.

[demkicker]

As Croes sees it, the reputation of both Aruba and The Netherlands are at stake here and he fears that this would have a negative long term effect on the Aruban tourism development.

This is the only thing I agree with Croes about.