Posted on 06/23/2005 10:44:51 AM PDT by stlnative
Previous FR Natalee Holloway Threads...
Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 2
Posted on 06/20/2005 12:14:36 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1426433/posts
Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 1
Posted on 06/16/2005 11:43:44 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1424188/posts
Another Twist in Holloway Disappearance
Posted on 06/14/2005 11:24:41 AM CDT by PBRSTREETGANG
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1422593/posts
Ala. Teen's Mom: Men 'Know What Happened' (Natalee Holloway)
Posted on 06/13/2005 4:01:55 AM CDT by bd476
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1421756/posts
Natalee's body found... (false report)
Posted on 06/11/2005 1:05:50 PM CDT by kcvl
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1420967/posts
Holloway Not Only American Missing In Aruba
Posted on 06/08/2005 1:25:36 AM CDT by MassRepublicanFlyersFan
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418606/posts
Natalee Holloway (Aruba) 5 Men Now in Custody
Posted on 06/07/2005 3:35:36 PM CDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418322/posts
Aruba Info...
Full Aruba Island Maps
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif (BEST MAP)
http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/images/aruba2002.gif (good map but blurry)
http://www.aruba-tours.com/art/arubaattmap1.gif
Oranjestad Aruba Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/oranjestad2002.gif
San Nicolas Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/sannicolas2002.gif
Hotel Location Maps in the California Lighthouse Area
http://www.arubaluxurycondos.com/images/arubamap1.gif
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (NICE MAP)
Hotel Pictures -
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (Map)
Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino - #1 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #101
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaar/phototour/auaar_phototour22.jpg?Log=1
Marriott's Aruba Ocean Club - #2 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #99
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaao/phototour/auaao_phototour01.jpg?Log=1
Holiday Inn Sunspree Resort - #3 on Map (both buildings are the Holiday Inn)
http://phototour.ichotelsgroup.com/hotelimages/AUAAN/WELCM_EXTR_02_D.jpg
Playa Linda Beach Resort - #4 on Map
http://www.playalinda.com/enghome.html
Manchebo Beach Area Map
http://www.mapsworldwide.com/mwwlive/itm_img/3897075008sam.gif
Aruba Beach Location Maps
http://www.arubariba.com/ArubamapBeachMap1.jpg
http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/maps/arubabeachmap.jpg (nice detailed map)
Aruba Township Location Map
http://www.arubarealestate.com/aruba_map/
Aruba Diving Location Maps
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/diving_a.html
Aruba Beach/Site Seeing Pictures
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/beaches.html
Aruba/Natalee - Blogs/Boards/Forums/News Feeds
http://bb.visitaruba.com/
http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/read.php?f=1&i=124287&t=124287&v=t
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/ (Forum) - POPULAR
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/ (Blogger in Aruba)
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://joranvandersloot.blogspot.com (Blog)
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=6/10/2005 (Blog - English Version)
http://www.i66.com/ (Natalee Holloway News Feed)
Aruba White/Yellow Pages
http://arubayp.com/
Suspect's Personal Pages or Picture Album Locations
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14905439&Mytoken=20050613202923
Show/Interview TranscriptsTranscript: Van der Sloots Speak Out - On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak Out
Thursday, June 23, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 22, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.
Transcript: Natalee's Friends Go On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Natalee's Friends Go 'On the Record'
Wednesday, June 22, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 21, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.
Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif
The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long
B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.
D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse - the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.
D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.
G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located
D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives
F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.
C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.
E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.
PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD
LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.
I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.
This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.
Examples
Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif
or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)
I DO NOT HAVE A PING LIST AND I DO NOT WISH TO MAKE ONE
Just a reminder that...
THIS IS A NO LARGE
PICTURE POSTING THREAD
(please do not post large pictures on the thread - small pictures are fine as well a links to the pictures)
This is a discussion thread about the daily occurrences in the Natalee Holloway Case.
It is located in "Chat" on Free Republic
It is not a thread for bashing Natalee - Natalee's Family or Natalee's Friends.
It also is not an ongoing discussion thread for any other cases.
by = buy
PVDS will not be under oath while answering questions about his son.
Sounds as if Paulus is working it yall
Actually, I know about it as part of my job.
Media reports that PVDS states that he has nothing to hide.
LOL!!!
They really do beat that "breaking news gong" to death.
Apropos of nothing, and I could be entirely wrong about this, but the van der Sloots' just -look- culpable to me. -very- weasle-like. The Father's sheets of sweat, the Son has this smug smirk in most of his pictures.
The D.J. Steve Croes looks culpable, though it seems unlikely that he would be involved with the actual murder, if he would be dumb enough to volunteer to go to the cops in order to supply an alibi for the two brothers. -Since he is getting released tomorrow, it looks like all he did was try to offer them an alibi.
The two brothers looked fairly innocent to me, and I was really impressed with their Mother's humility and demeanor, not so with Mamma van der Sloot.
And lastly, what the HELL is Geraldo doing down there?
Sheeeeeeeeeze ;>
The following is from your post-->
"The judge agreed there is not enough proof he was involved to keep holding him," said Croes' lawyer, Eleni Lotter-Homan"
Since it says there is *not enough proof* to hold Croes, it might mean there is still a possibility he was involved. From what I've heard reported on Fox in the past couple of days, each time they appear before the Judge, there has to be MORE evidence or reason to hold the suspect for an additional 8 days.
It just doesn't make sense that Croes would voluntarily LIE for Juran, if he knew nothing about what happened. The lie - is Croes saying Juran dropped Natalee off at the Holiday Inn.
When I was little, I wanted to be an fbi agent or a spy.
I really like the idea of Joran being the smaller, weaker, prettier one. Think he gets whistled at a lot in prison?
he is going to spin it to make it looked the Kalpoes did it. PVDS has Joran make the calls to the Kalpoes to make it look like he went home. Kalpoes have no one to back up that they were at home, but Joran has his Daddy that knows how to work the system.
I still don't think the brother did anything except dropped Natalee and Joran at the beach near the Marriott. Now watch Joran is going to say he was lying for the Kalpoes and that Kalpoes were on the beach (came back to pick him and Natalee up) and that he (Joran) left the Kalpoes with Natalee on the beach to walk home and he text messaged the boys to let them know he made the walk home safely.
If Croes, and PVDS have spent over a week in prison for making false statements, it seems to me that the Arubans have a pretty nice system for teaching people that you don't freaking lie to the Polis. I have to give them that.
Least you got 4.
Sorry. Let me try again.
This was someone's description of Geraldo's interview with Rudy Croes, the Prime Minister of Aruba, followed by my speculation:
(Geraldo speaking) Rudy Croes also asked me to stress that the father (JVDS) is not a judge, he is a FAILED judge. He applied to the authorities in the mother country of the Netherlands in Holland to become a judge, he was TURNED DOWN, so just ironically a week before before Natalee disappeared on the 29th/30th of May, just a week before that Paulus had been to see Rudy Croes asking for a job and they were trying to figure out what the father could do for a living now that the father has been TURNED DOWN to be a judge.
Okay, we know that PVDS is a gambler. Gambler's often have heavy gambling debts.
Not only is PVDS out of a well-paying, esteemed job, but he has also wasted 15 years of his life by failing the test. This is a big loss for someone. He has lost his income and possibly his self-esteem and his self-respect. He may see himself as a failure in front of his colleagues. He may even be under pressure to pay some gambling debts that he owes.
All of the above circumstances may lead a weaker man to become desperate and do things that he normally wouldn't do -- things that are illegal and immoral. Human trafficking activity comes to mind.
This theory is "pretty far out there" when viewed with Occam's razor, but according to some reports, the Croes family has a long history of mafia activity.
About Rudy Croes and his interview with Geraldo:
According to Rudy, PVDS had a meeting with Rudy to see if there was any kind of government job he could do other than be a judge. It seems to me that if PVDS had been given a legitimate job during that meeting, Rudy would have said something about it during Geraldo's interview. For example, "Yes Geraldo, we discussed him working in the Accounting office" or something similar.
Instead, Rudy Croes left it hanging, giving the viewer (i.e., me) the impression that Rudy Croes didn't have a job for PVDS. Also, I got the distinct impression that Rudy was trying to distance himself from PVDS. (That would be understandable, though, so it isn't suspicious in itself).
Anyway, I am wondering how the conversation transpired during PVDS's meeting with Rudy (yes, I know, this is a stretch):
PVDS: Mr. Croes, I am looking for a job. I have given 15 years of service to the Aruban government and I was wondering if you know of any job openings. What can I do?!
Rudy: Hmmm.... Well, Paulus, I'm not aware of any openings in the court system, none with a comparable salary, anyway.
PVDS: But Rudy, I have huge gambling debts. How will I pay them?! I am ruined!
Rudy: Welllll.... Well, there is something that you could do, but... but.... No, never mind.
PVDS: What?! What is it?
Rudy: Well, there is a wealthy retired businessman in Thailand (or wealthy sheik in Saudi, take your pick) who has been looking for a young blonde...
If the above scenario is anywhere close to being true, then Rudy Croes would be very nervous right now that PVDS will talk. If PVDS talks, he may have enough information to reveal a lucrative smuggling operation, with Rudy Croes right at the center. (Everyone in Aruba probably knows about the drug smuggling already. Our government does.)
If the above scenario is true, PVDS may be scared that he or his son (or other family members) will end up being decapitated like the poor fellow last week.
has anyone posted an annotated map that show the lighthouse beach area and the van der Sloot house?
I guess another way to ask is, has the van der
sloot address been posted? I searched didn't see...
Dang, they look like brothers. Bt conway's real name is Jenkins.
" Which brings me back to what Beth saw or heard or realized when she & Greta were in the VDS house...""
Yes, what Beth heard or as you said saw too, is very important. Beth seemed to be very confident, about what she observed at the VDS house.
Look at all the links at the top of the page. You will find the info and maps there.
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