Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 3

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[stlnative]

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Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 2
Posted on 06/20/2005 12:14:36 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1426433/posts

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 1
Posted on 06/16/2005 11:43:44 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1424188/posts

Another Twist in Holloway Disappearance
Posted on 06/14/2005 11:24:41 AM CDT by PBRSTREETGANG
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1422593/posts

Ala. Teen's Mom: Men 'Know What Happened' (Natalee Holloway)
Posted on 06/13/2005 4:01:55 AM CDT by bd476
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1421756/posts

Natalee's body found... (false report)
Posted on 06/11/2005 1:05:50 PM CDT by kcvl
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1420967/posts

Holloway Not Only American Missing In Aruba
Posted on 06/08/2005 1:25:36 AM CDT by MassRepublicanFlyersFan
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418606/posts

Natalee Holloway (Aruba) 5 Men Now in Custody
Posted on 06/07/2005 3:35:36 PM CDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418322/posts

Aruba Info...

Full Aruba Island Maps
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif (BEST MAP)
http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/images/aruba2002.gif (good map but blurry)
http://www.aruba-tours.com/art/arubaattmap1.gif

Oranjestad Aruba Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/oranjestad2002.gif

San Nicolas Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/sannicolas2002.gif

Hotel Location Maps in the California Lighthouse Area
http://www.arubaluxurycondos.com/images/arubamap1.gif
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (NICE MAP)

Hotel Pictures - 
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (Map)

Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino - #1 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #101
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaar/phototour/auaar_phototour22.jpg?Log=1

Marriott's Aruba Ocean Club - #2 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #99
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaao/phototour/auaao_phototour01.jpg?Log=1

Holiday Inn Sunspree Resort - #3 on Map (both buildings are the Holiday Inn)
http://phototour.ichotelsgroup.com/hotelimages/AUAAN/WELCM_EXTR_02_D.jpg

Playa Linda Beach Resort - #4 on Map
http://www.playalinda.com/enghome.html

Manchebo Beach Area Map
http://www.mapsworldwide.com/mwwlive/itm_img/3897075008sam.gif

Aruba Beach Location Maps
http://www.arubariba.com/ArubamapBeachMap1.jpg
http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/maps/arubabeachmap.jpg (nice detailed map)

Aruba Township Location Map
http://www.arubarealestate.com/aruba_map/

Aruba Diving Location Maps
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/diving_a.html

Aruba Beach/Site Seeing Pictures
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/beaches.html

Aruba/Natalee - Blogs/Boards/Forums/News Feeds
http://bb.visitaruba.com/
http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/read.php?f=1&i=124287&t=124287&v=t
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/ (Forum) - POPULAR
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/ (Blogger in Aruba)
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://joranvandersloot.blogspot.com (Blog)
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=6/10/2005 (Blog - English Version)
http://www.i66.com/ (Natalee Holloway News Feed)

Aruba White/Yellow Pages
http://arubayp.com/

Suspect's Personal Pages or Picture Album Locations
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14905439&Mytoken=20050613202923

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Show/Interview TranscriptsTranscript: Van der Sloots Speak Out - On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak Out
Thursday, June 23, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 22, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

Transcript: Natalee's Friends  Go On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Natalee's Friends Go 'On the Record'
Wednesday, June 22, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 21, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

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Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)

http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long

B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.

D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse -  the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.

D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.

G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located

D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives

F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.

C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.

E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.

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PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD
LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.

I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.

This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.

Examples

Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)

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I DO NOT HAVE A PING LIST AND I DO NOT WISH TO MAKE ONE

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Just a reminder that...
THIS IS A NO LARGE
PICTURE POSTING THREAD
(please do not post large pictures on the thread - small pictures are fine as well a links to the pictures)

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This is a discussion thread about the daily occurrences in the Natalee Holloway Case.
It is located in "Chat" on Free Republic
It is not a thread for bashing Natalee - Natalee's Family or Natalee's Friends.
It also is not an ongoing discussion thread for any other cases.

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[Peach]

Well then my suspicious monitor just went up.

I can't think of a single good explanation why Aruban officials would let the FBI fly 7 guys over there, complete with gear, and then not let them use it.

Unless there are a lot more bodies offshore than we think.

[Howlin]

So why do I keep *thinking* I read or heard something about a message saying "Something bad has happened."

[Peach]

I read that on one of the threads. Is this the third thread? If so, it was on #2, IIRC.

[stlnative]

brigette or TexKat probably know.

:-) :-) :-) SHUT UP! - because I cannot back track where I learned it from!

[blu]

Maybe I should take my own advise and let everyone banter with each about what they heard or read about the case ...

Brigette, I want to be sure I understand your position. Do you want this thread to be just for posting info, with no speculation or discussion? If you do, that's fine, you have done a wonderful job of putting together all this info! If that is what you want, maybe the thread should be labeled such?

Again, thanks for making it possible for me to have a life AND keep up with this case!

[the Deejay]

I don't think I ever saw a message from joran to Deepak.

[TexKat]

Does anybody remember what the message was that Joran supposedly sent to Deepak on Yahoo Messenger or email that night?

If I remember correctly Joran told Deepak that he was going to e-mail him on 5/29, but never did per news reports. Is that the night you are speaking of?

[Howlin]

Here it is:

ORANJESTAD, Aruba (MSNBC/AP) - Police investigating the disappearance of an Alabama teenager in Aruba said late Friday that one of three young men in custody has admitted "something bad happened" to her during her island visit.

[beyond the sea]

Does anybody remember what the message was that Joran supposedly sent to Deepak on Yahoo Messenger or email that night?

"Karl Rove did it."

;-)

[Palladin]

I have hopes that Texas Equusearch will turn up something this weekend, if only Natalee's garments. And wasn't she wearing jewelry? There must be some trace of her there on that Island, or nearby offshore. It's like looking for the proverbial needle in a haystack, but Equusearch has a 70% success rate.

They all need our prayers for the next few days.

After the TWA 800 crash, the Navy divers found bodies and belongings for many weeks after it happened, in the ocean. Of course, that was in the North Atlantic where the waters are cold.

[hummingbird]

One more thing...MY RANT....Is is just ME, or is anyone else SICK TO DEATH of every time FOX talks about a new story , they have FOX ALERT !! That really is getting to me ! I think I will send them the story about the Boy That Cried Wolf !!!

It is most definitely not just you, Neenah...they just did one of the FOX "gongs," 40 minutes before their special coverage at the top of the hour to show the facade of the courthouse where the 5 being held will be brought.

I can understand advertising the special but not with an ALERT!

C'mon, FOX, an ALERT "gong" to see the front of the courthouse! Maybe you should change from FOXNews to WOLFNews or GONGNews...

[the Deejay]

"Something bad has happened."

That was stated by one of the brothers, (early on, when they were taken to polis station, the second time.) Deepak or Sastish.

[Palladin]

NYAH! NYAH! NYAH!

;P

[Peach]

Good find. Freepmail; that interview continues Monday :-)

[TexKat]

So why do I keep *thinking* I read or heard something about a message saying "Something bad has happened."

That was in the news Howlin. That was reported as what Joran had told LE during the time that it was misreported that Natalee's body had been found or that Natalee was dead.

And let me add (If I remember correctly).:)

[Palladin]

And just where was Karl Rove on the evening of May 29, 2005? Was HE the mysterious man on the plane that Greta is hunting down??

Inquiring minds want to know!

[Yaelle]

It is very important that we know PVDS had seen and may have had verbal contact with Natalee and Joran inside the HI Casino Bar.

This is starting to sound like a Teddy Kennedy / William Kennedy Smith night out.

[beyond the sea]

The speculation that goes on here will never hurt the people that are being speculated about. That hurtful kind of speculation is going on right now in Alabama and Aruba and there is nothing that anyone can do about it.

I hear you. I didn't mean to directly compare the HURT caused by the two different things. I was only commenting on the somewhat similar need to be concerned about such matters.

I often wonder what some here would do without the 24 hour news cycle.

But, I hear you. I did not mean to suggest that the speculation here on Natalee was or is at all the same hurtful and cruel action as that of the person in my childhood.

Be well .........

[Howlin]

Fox got an interview with Antonio Nicky John, one of the guards released.

Q. Your feelings from day one

A. Very bad, innocent. Never seen her before, never seen them before. At beach party during the day (by the HI?), not there at night. All made up. Black security guard, black shirt, black pants. Put bits and pieces together and came and arrested me and my colleague.

Q: Treat you good? Force you to say something?

A: No, never forced me to say anything

Q: You were able to confront the three, how did it go?

A: Just talked to Deepak from Surinam, he didn't know who I was. I was interviewing him in the cell. Detective asked him if he knew me, no. Same for me, never saw him before. He said story about Holiday Inn all made up, never brought her back there. He was driving from C&C, Natalee behind him. Joran behind his brother. Dropped them off near the Mariott, Joran and Natalee, after the lighthouse. He went home and went online. He said she was very very drunk, nothing about drugs, heavily influenced by alcoholic beverages. About 2:30, back near the Mariott.

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When Joran arrived home that night, he text messaged one of the brothers and said "Hey, we need to talk about this" and they met at his pool and came up with the story about dropping Natalee off at the hotel.

Posted by KUFFS at June 14, 2005 03:11 PM