Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 3

To: beyond the sea

If you don't like this thread, feel free to scroll right on by.

And I do hope you aren't comparing the busy body that took part in your family's tragedy with this thread, where we certainly aren't impacting anyone's life.

1,481 posted on 06/25/2005 11:04:24 AM PDT by Peach

Maybe she managed to wrangle
one more night's stay w/the
hotel.

1,482 posted on 06/25/2005 11:04:26 AM PDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)

To: beyond the sea

Yo, retread, you're WRONG AGIAN:

To: the Deejay; Howlin

GERALDO..wow, what a hardship assignment. Plenty of sailing for him in Aruba. It's tough being a Reporter :)

1,464 posted on 06/25/2005 1:57:35 PM EDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)

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To: spectre

He will muck up this story and make it all about him.

1,466 posted on 06/25/2005 1:58:09 PM EDT by Howlin

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Feeling stupid?

1,483 posted on 06/25/2005 11:05:41 AM PDT by Howlin

To: Peach; Howlin

Must be because we aren't playing in their sandbox today...Poor babies..

1,484 posted on 06/25/2005 11:06:37 AM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)

To: beyond the sea

referring to another poster without doing what you repeatedly command others to do...... ping them when they are referred to.

It's nice to see you PROVE what a fake you are on this thread.

And stop FREEPMAILING me.

1,485 posted on 06/25/2005 11:06:56 AM PDT by Howlin

Maybe we're missed :-)

1,486 posted on 06/25/2005 11:07:39 AM PDT by Peach

To: All; varina davis

It is not just from today... I guess I am reaching my boiling point with with people who pop in and out of the thread when they can and they want "b&w proof" for everything if someone brings up something that has already been discussed in the past.

People don't understand there are 3 of us that have been on these threads from the beginning. We also hunt other forums and blogs for info and rumors and we bring the stuff back here. I try to post just to these 2 other people as I know they know as much as I do, but then someone comes in asking questions about a post I made to these 2 people. I try to answer, but it seems I am always called out on what I write.
My posts mainly are meant for the other 2 people that have been following the case nearly 24 hours a day and who are also getting information from other sources. (all the links are at the header of the thread). For those who are not as involved in the case as I am, please don't expect me to back up things. I have no reason to hand out false info, but I am not going to back track to where I got the info from as chance are I will not be able to find it again, even if it was just an hour ago.

I was reading the threads from the beginning but I did not post when people on fr where still in the blame Natalee, blame Natalee parents, blame the chaperone's, etc, but I was here reading and taking in info.

Also the thread is for discussion of Natalee's case, it is not about Tom Cruise, Michael Jackson, or other missing person cases. You would have to go back and read all the threads to see when people decided to get off the topic for periods of time that resulted in 20 or MORE posts that did not relate to the Natalee Holloway Case. People come here to read about her case, not other cases. That is why I keep posting links to these other cases when people start changing the topic of the Natalee threads.

I mean people would not like it if someone or a bunch of people go on a Tom Cruise thread and start posting about Natalee on that thread.

Sure it is fine to mention another story on the Natalee thread, but people should just post a link to the other story and everyone who want to follow that other story should move on over to the other thread.

I don't "own" the Natalee threads, but I am here most of the time nowadays, someone needs to help keep the thread on topic. I am also not here to prove everything in B&W to people about what I post. If people watched and paid attention to Greta's show then they would have seen and heard what I did. I have no way to prove it, unless someone else backs up what I say or there is a word for word transcript out there or video online. I clearly said last night that this was Greta's show and then I said it again today.

So yes I am getting testy after all this (I have not even brought up all the private emails I get on top of it all) and maybe it is time I just follow the case on my own and avoid the Natalee threads all together. - Maybe I should take my own advise and let everyone banter with each about what they heard or read about the case and when the thread gets off topic for a period of time, then you all can deal with it and weed through the the off topic posts, big pictures/graphics and so on.

That's my rant and maybe it is time for me to step away from the Natalee threads since people cannot understand where I am coming from and why I am so testy because I know I will just continue to get testy in the future with some Freepers who are not following the case like I am and the other 2 people are.

I have clearly said that anyone may use my Natalee thread header to start a new Natalee thread with at anytime. (so keep that in mind if I just disappear from the Natalee threads in the future.)

1,487 posted on 06/25/2005 11:07:40 AM PDT by stlnative (I have tons of sharp cheese to hand out to the Natalee thread whiners. :-)

From the time I found out they lied about the security guards I have thought they were guilty.

Fox just reported that the whole bunch will be in court within the hour. It will be interesting to see if anyone is released.

1,488 posted on 06/25/2005 11:07:45 AM PDT by WestCoastGal (Is the driver of the 8 car the MOST sexy driver? Only his fans and FOX know for sure!!!!!!!!)

To: beyond the sea

You don't find it a tad bit hypocritical that you come on a thread to post that others should go read a book?

1,489 posted on 06/25/2005 11:07:52 AM PDT by Velveeta (www.takebackthememorial.org)

You came here to disrupt the thread

No, not at all. Just to speak my mind about the love and need of gossip by some folks.

Now, I must go out to work with the plants.

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Really, no disruption at all was meant to you or anyone.

Please continue on, and have a very pleasant weekend!

1,490 posted on 06/25/2005 11:08:35 AM PDT by beyond the sea (No more legitimate hearing room ever again, Conyers......... to the broom closet ! ;-))

To: maggiefluffs

Hahahaha...everyone be sure to tune in to the beginning of his show and hear...

THE LONGGGGGGG INTRO COMPLETE W/BACKGROUND MUSIC....ending with " And Around the world ".

Sleep well America, Jerry Rivers has taken the baton.

1,491 posted on 06/25/2005 11:08:52 AM PDT by Neenah

To: WestCoastGal

It surely will. I hope not. If so, we'll never get the truth, IMO.

1,492 posted on 06/25/2005 11:09:28 AM PDT by Howlin

I'm sure everyone appreciates your efforts, brigette. I haven't seen anyone really ask for proof but freepers have asked where you heard something or when and that's common and to be expected.

As well, on all long standing threads like this one, other topics come up that interest other freepers and we post Off Topics. It's just the way it is and the way it's been ever since I've been here.

1,493 posted on 06/25/2005 11:10:42 AM PDT by Peach

To: beyond the sea

Is there a library nearby?

Are YOU posting from a library???

1,494 posted on 06/25/2005 11:11:05 AM PDT by Velveeta (www.takebackthememorial.org)

To: maggiefluffs

Geraldo has to have a scoop to hype his show. Wonder what BS he comes up with this time.

Geraldo will first announce "Michael Jackson did not do it! " He is so proud of his pronouncement on that case I think he will expound on it the rest of his life.

However, Geraldo is perfect for this assignment. After all his years of womanizing and loving-and-leaving them he should be able to offer some first-hand knowledge of the mind set of who could have done this. (BTW who would ever want to have a relationship with Geraldo...my oh my, he gives me the creeps!) LOL

1,495 posted on 06/25/2005 11:11:14 AM PDT by CitizenM ("An excuse is worse than an lie, because an excuse is a lie hidden." Pope John Paul, II)

To: Andy'smom; sarasota; cyborg; kcvl; brigette; maggiefluffs; No Surrender No Retreat; ...

More questions than answers in mystery of missing teen

6/25/2005, 12:44 p.m. CT

By PETER PRENGAMAN The Associated Press

ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) — As the mystery of a missing Alabama honors student drags on, questions abound about Aruban authorities' handling of the Dutch Caribbean's highest-profile case in decades.

Why were the youths last seen with 18-year-old Natalee Holloway left free for days after she disappeared? Why did police not search the home of the Dutch youth who was flirting with her until two weeks after she went missing? Why did Aruban officials ask the FBI to send divers, who came to the island but never searched its waters?

Criminal experts say these apparent mishaps could make it harder for Aruban investigators to crack the case, and may ultimately prevent the Holloway family from ever knowing what happened.

Attorney General Caren Janssen, the top prosecutor on the Dutch Caribbean island, refused to comment on the criticisms and potential implications, saying only that "I can't comment on the investigation until it's over. Investigators must be allowed to do their jobs."

Joran van der Sloot, 17, and Surinamese brothers Deepak Kalpoe, 21, and Satish Kalpoe, 18, were the last ones seen with Holloway, an honors student from Mountain Brook, Alabama. She disappeared May 30, the last day of a vacation with 124 students celebrating their high school graduation. Her passport and packed bags were found in her room.

After a night eating, drinking and dancing at Carlos' N' Charlie's restaurant, the three men told police they took Holloway to a northern beach before dropping her off at her hotel around 2 a.m.

The three were questioned soon after she disappeared, but not arrested until June 9. At the time, Janssen said there were "tactical reasons," and there was speculation authorities hoped the freed young men might lead them to a clue.

That was an error, according to Joseph Pollini, a criminal justice professor at John Jay College in New York City, where he spent 33 years as a homicide detective: "Once released, it's problematic because somebody surely coached them," he said. "A lawyer wouldn't be worth his weight in salt if he didn't tell them simply not to say anything."

Pollini doubted any confession was now possible.

Instead, authorities arrested two former hotel security guards, apparently because the young men told police they had last seen Holloway in the car park of her hotel, being approached by a black security guard.

The guards were released a week later, and one, Antonius "Mickey" John, said that while in jail one of the brothers told him they had never taken Holloway back to her hotel but had dropped her off together with van der Sloot at a beach neighboring the Marriott Hotel.

That version was corroborated in part Thursday by the mother of Joran van der Sloot, who told the AP that her son told her he had been alone with Holloway at a beach. Anita van der Sloot said her son said he left Holloway at the beach but didn't harm her.

Investigators led a massive and fruitless search of Malmok beach June 14.

Only the following day, 16 days after Holloway went missing, did investigators search the van der Sloot house, seizing two vehicles, computers and cameras.

"They should have immediately done a forensic sweep of van der Sloot's house, his car, his clothing, and done the same with the Surinamese boys," said Ron Watson, a retired Alabama police chief who runs a crime scene reconstruction business. "You've got 48 hours after a disappearance, after that you are in the red zone and may never find the person."

Police did not interrogate the Dutch suspect's father, Paul van der Sloot, until June 17. In a surprise move, they arrested him Thursday.

The Holloway family has become increasingly vocal in its criticism. Last week, the woman who organized the students' trip to Aruba, Jody Bearman, told The Associated Press that it was the Holloway family, not police, who first identified and located the Dutch youth, and then insisted police go with them to interview the van der Sloot family.

Beth Holloway Twitty, the missing girl's mother, has repeatedly said that the three youths know more than they are saying and that police must press them to tell the truth. She also said before van der Sloot's arrest that if she didn't get answers soon, she might suspect that authorities were protecting him because of his standing as a high-ranking judicial official on the island.

Aruban authorities have defended their handling of the case, saying meticulous police work takes time.

"You have to build up an investigation. You can't just go in there like a cowboy," Janssen said last week when she was asked why investigators waited more than two weeks to search the van der Sloot home.

There are also questions about efforts to find Holloway.

Aruban police, Dutch marines, seven FBI agents and thousands of tourists and locals have done island-wide searches that proved fruitless. In the early days, Aruban authorities appealed for the FBI to send expert divers. The U.S. agency sent two search and rescue divers, but they never got in the water.

"They never had any information like, she could be in this place or that area," said FBI spokeswoman Judy Orihuela. "That target would have come from the investigation of Aruban authorities because we can't investigate in a foreign country."

1,496 posted on 06/25/2005 11:12:02 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)

LOL>......very true!

And if he does, I'm gonna die laughing now that you mentioned it!

1,497 posted on 06/25/2005 11:12:06 AM PDT by Howlin

To: WestCoastGal

This is a bogus lead. Many people OWN timeshares in Aruba. They go down for three or four months at a time.

Why would a guy who owns a timeshare become "suspicious" just because he hasn't "left the island" or been "found" yet?

Some people like to maintain their privacy when they are on vacation. Also, some people never watch TV or read a paper while on vacation.

Greta was just trying to appear "fair and balanced".

1,498 posted on 06/25/2005 11:12:10 AM PDT by Palladin (God Bless America!)

WRONG AGIAN:

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excellent

;-)

1,500 posted on 06/25/2005 11:13:57 AM PDT by beyond the sea (No more legitimate hearing room ever again, Conyers......... to the broom closet ! ;-))

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