Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 3

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[stlnative]

Previous FR Natalee Holloway Threads...

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 2
Posted on 06/20/2005 12:14:36 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1426433/posts

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 1
Posted on 06/16/2005 11:43:44 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1424188/posts

Another Twist in Holloway Disappearance
Posted on 06/14/2005 11:24:41 AM CDT by PBRSTREETGANG
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1422593/posts

Ala. Teen's Mom: Men 'Know What Happened' (Natalee Holloway)
Posted on 06/13/2005 4:01:55 AM CDT by bd476
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1421756/posts

Natalee's body found... (false report)
Posted on 06/11/2005 1:05:50 PM CDT by kcvl
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1420967/posts

Holloway Not Only American Missing In Aruba
Posted on 06/08/2005 1:25:36 AM CDT by MassRepublicanFlyersFan
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418606/posts

Natalee Holloway (Aruba) 5 Men Now in Custody
Posted on 06/07/2005 3:35:36 PM CDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418322/posts

Aruba Info...

Full Aruba Island Maps
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif (BEST MAP)
http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/images/aruba2002.gif (good map but blurry)
http://www.aruba-tours.com/art/arubaattmap1.gif

Oranjestad Aruba Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/oranjestad2002.gif

San Nicolas Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/sannicolas2002.gif

Hotel Location Maps in the California Lighthouse Area
http://www.arubaluxurycondos.com/images/arubamap1.gif
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (NICE MAP)

Hotel Pictures - 
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (Map)

Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino - #1 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #101
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaar/phototour/auaar_phototour22.jpg?Log=1

Marriott's Aruba Ocean Club - #2 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #99
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaao/phototour/auaao_phototour01.jpg?Log=1

Holiday Inn Sunspree Resort - #3 on Map (both buildings are the Holiday Inn)
http://phototour.ichotelsgroup.com/hotelimages/AUAAN/WELCM_EXTR_02_D.jpg

Playa Linda Beach Resort - #4 on Map
http://www.playalinda.com/enghome.html

Manchebo Beach Area Map
http://www.mapsworldwide.com/mwwlive/itm_img/3897075008sam.gif

Aruba Beach Location Maps
http://www.arubariba.com/ArubamapBeachMap1.jpg
http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/maps/arubabeachmap.jpg (nice detailed map)

Aruba Township Location Map
http://www.arubarealestate.com/aruba_map/

Aruba Diving Location Maps
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/diving_a.html

Aruba Beach/Site Seeing Pictures
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/beaches.html

Aruba/Natalee - Blogs/Boards/Forums/News Feeds
http://bb.visitaruba.com/
http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/read.php?f=1&i=124287&t=124287&v=t
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/ (Forum) - POPULAR
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/ (Blogger in Aruba)
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://joranvandersloot.blogspot.com (Blog)
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=6/10/2005 (Blog - English Version)
http://www.i66.com/ (Natalee Holloway News Feed)

Aruba White/Yellow Pages
http://arubayp.com/

Suspect's Personal Pages or Picture Album Locations
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14905439&Mytoken=20050613202923

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Show/Interview TranscriptsTranscript: Van der Sloots Speak Out - On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak Out
Thursday, June 23, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 22, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

Transcript: Natalee's Friends  Go On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Natalee's Friends Go 'On the Record'
Wednesday, June 22, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 21, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

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Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)

http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long

B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.

D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse -  the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.

D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.

G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located

D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives

F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.

C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.

E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.

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PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD
LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.

I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.

This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.

Examples

Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)

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I DO NOT HAVE A PING LIST AND I DO NOT WISH TO MAKE ONE

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Just a reminder that...
THIS IS A NO LARGE
PICTURE POSTING THREAD
(please do not post large pictures on the thread - small pictures are fine as well a links to the pictures)

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This is a discussion thread about the daily occurrences in the Natalee Holloway Case.
It is located in "Chat" on Free Republic
It is not a thread for bashing Natalee - Natalee's Family or Natalee's Friends.
It also is not an ongoing discussion thread for any other cases.

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[stlnative]

Thank you! - See I catch things that most people don't :-)

[Velveeta]

I heard it too, Brigette. Exactly as you have reported.

Greta clearly said that DaddySloot AND Joran were both at the HI casino.

[spectre]

You're killin us, Peach. You know what I'm thinking, don't you? Say Hello to "Mr. Wonderful" from me :)

sw

[pamlet]

That was weeks after she disappeared... don't you think the battery would be dead?

[stlnative]

Well it raised suspicion in my mind, it is an important factor in my mind. PVDS had seen and possibly had contact with Natalee Sunday evening. Joran was there also in the bar area.

Sorry you missed that part of the Greta show.

You have your opinion and I have mine.
You know my thoughts and I know yours, now let's leave each other alone.

[CitizenM]

LOL...perhaps I miscommunicated, or there is some misunderstanding, if so I apologize. I do not think I said Satish called Deepak. I thought I wrote : Joran called Deepak, (but maybe he could have called Satish...one of the brothers was called by Joran). Satish went to pick up Deepak (whether it was a pre-arranged, usual time, or Deepak called his brother from work and said "I'm done, come get me" I do not know.) But, Satish picked up Deepak (we agree on that) and they went to give Joran a "lift" as his mother said. So Joran must have communicated with Deepak or Satish and then together they went to Joran's house. His mother is the one who reported that is what her sons said.

[vigilante2]

Beth Holloway showed up at the VS home the next day..within 24 hours..just trying to figure out why Beth is so convinced her daughter was there

[txrangerette]

I get it, brigette, I think...the curfew thing is interesting...if Joran had already broken curfew so recently by sneaking out to meet Natalee at C&C, then why would Paul just casually drop in this, oh, you're looking for Joran, well he's at the Casino, WHEN IT WAS THREE A.M. for pity sake??!!

Where was the precious curfew on THAT occasion, hmmmmm?

Also interesting that Paul might or might not have picked Joran up at McDonald's at 11 pm Sunday evening, that there is no proof of it, b/c if he invented that story then we gotta ask why, and what WAS Paul (or Joran for that matter) doing prior to Joran showing up at C&C with Deepak and Satish?

I have been too busy to get all the details, but on the news I have seen the prosecutor on Aruba seems to be suspecting Paul of some kind of involvement in helping with a crime, but not perpetrating it originally, and the media seems to be pushing the idea that he is not being looked at as an originator of any crime.

Is that what is happening?

Your thought processes raise questions about him in that regard, which, so far, others don't seem to be doing.

[stlnative]

I am getting tired of having to point everything out to certain people. It seems like everything I say is being called out by some people. I clearly said it came from Greta show earlier (even last night) while this poster was online.

[jacquej]

If I put myself in Beth's shoes, the first thing I would do is track down the person my daughter was last known to be with....

[TexKat]

I think it's astounding that the father met her at the casino

Has it been reported and/or confirmed that PVDS actually met Natalee or just that PVDS was in the casino with Joran?

[txrangerette]

You can bet, if a specific thing at the VDS home convinced her that Natalee was or had been there, Beth has told the investigators about it. Whatever it was, if it had any validity, it has by now become part of the investigation and ties into the detention of PVDS.

[TexKat]

I haven't read this story before. Anyone?

I have only read it from posters on various sites. I do not believe that I have read any confirmation of this.

[Peach]

TexKat, see #1353.

[GarySpFc]

The point is that Joran arrived at C&C's shortly prior to when it was going to close. Joran knew Natalee had expressed an interest in him, and since this was her last night on the island it was only natural for them to go somewhere afterwards. I believe he arrived that late on purpose knowing exactly what would happen.

I've been on cruses in the Caribbean that have touched at the Dutch Antillies. We were all warned (by staffers of the Holland America Line) that one of the things the Dutch locals like to do is scope out tourists, buy 'em drinks, get 'em drugged, rape and rob them. The tourist is so interested in getting back to the ship that they don't wait to file charges or complaints. They just go. It's a problem. They like to do it on the last day.

[hummingbird]

...a lot of liquor, and 'computer snacks' so we can stay current on notable threads!

[maggief]

I don't feel Beth thought Natalee was at the vdS house Tuesday morning. I think she felt her "presence," she meant in in a spiritual sense.

This is just an opinion.

[hershey]

If the police arrested both J and Papa on kidnapping and premeditated murder, then could J and Papa have been on that beach with a struggling N, when the witness saw them? Was that J and his Papa? The premeditated angle plus kidnapping means she was deliberately taken against her will and then killed, and the police think Papa helped at least with the kidnapping, maybe even with murder. I thought posters were reaching yesterday when they talked of Papa busting loose with J while his wife was away, but maybe that's what happened. Maybe this wasn't a case of simply helping to cover up his son's involvement, but his own.

[spectre]

I don't see things that way. People are asking for answers to questions, which is pretty normal. Not everyone is as focused as you are. So what?

I refuse to speculate that Paul VDS premeditated any meeting with Natalee. That is too far out..for even me to suggest. But if people want to go there, I'm cool with the discussion.

Aruba hasn't given us crap concerning their evidence or reasoning behind holding Pappa VDS, and that is what is the most frustrating and annoying part of all of this.

But if LE wanted to build a fictitious case against Pappa VDS, all they have to do is read this thread.

sw